Harmon's restaurants that serve firewater

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By Jim Bowman


Sen. Don continues concerned about restaurant mayhem. Is this new with him, or has it been worrying him all along?

Harmon wanted a clear proposal banning handguns in all restaurants, but the version passed Friday allows guns to be carried into restaurants with no more than 50 percent of their sales from alcohol.

Harmon wanted the measure to prevent guns from being carried into any establishment where alcohol can be consumed. Restaurant owners, however, still have the prerogative to place signs stating that no guns are allowed on the premises.

And why hasn't he been telling us? Has he got specific restaurants in mind? I don't go out much, but am getting worried about this.

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Posted: June 11th, 2013 9:40 AM

Joe, now you get it. NRA lobbyist Vandermyde, not the Chicago machine, puts DTI in the bill so people will be arrested. Creating job security to "fix" his own bad bill. NRA got trendy and uses black people from Chicago like Otis McDonald for lawsuits. Violation of DTI is Class B misdemeanor. You want to sit in Cook County for six months and hope NRA takes your case? Jon Burge tortured suspects, but no cop would lie and say you didn't inform? You have touching faith in human nature.

joe from south oak park  

Posted: June 11th, 2013 12:43 AM

john- the crimes of Jon Burge and LEO DUI are red herrings in this argument. they have nothing to do with DTI. I agree with you that there are a select few officers that may abuse this provision but the vast majority will not. I know off duty leo's have arrest authority in IL so I understand the concern. There is also a concern for police impersonators, I don't like it but this isn't a deal breaker for me. If this becomes an issue after the bill passes the courts or legislature can take it up.

joe from south oak park  

Posted: June 11th, 2013 12:25 AM

Here's a copy of the text for DTI in HB183: (h) If an officer of a law enforcement agency initiates an investigative stop, including but not limited to a traffic stop, of a licensee who is carrying a concealed firearm, upon the request of the officer the licensee shall disclose to the officer that he or she is in possession of a concealed firearm under this Act, present the license upon the request of the officer, and identify the location of the concealed firearm.


Posted: June 10th, 2013 11:45 PM

Joe, you don't see the problem? IL death penalty was abolished because CPD Jon Burge tortured suspects with electric shock and suffocation, then sent men to death row who didn't do the crime. Vandermyde writes DTI as a criminal offense, which creates an incentive for police to arrest. Off duty cops in unmarked cars don't use dash cams. Cops in IL can erase, it's not a crime. IL legislature had to force police to video homicide interrogations after Burge. Resolved in court? If you survive


Posted: June 10th, 2013 11:31 PM

Tom, my right to remain silent and be treated as innocent until proven guilty when exercising a constitutional right is not restricted as much as Ohio? Oh joy! Vandermyde wrote the original HB148 carry bill for Phelps, which failed in May 2011. It had immediate notification. Madigan grabbed the DTI language and put it in his bill. Ohio grassroots got a bill passed that suspends the police powers of cops when under the influence. A cop in IL can be DUI and still carry his gun legally.

joe from south oak park  

Posted: June 7th, 2013 11:09 AM

editing on the fly not working to day should read ... my only concern is that a select few may abuse this ...

joe from south oak park  

Posted: June 7th, 2013 11:07 AM

not sure where you are coming from John. a restaurant is still free to post a sign if they wish. DTI when asked by a LEO was put in at the request of the ISP. I don't see the problem with having to inform a LEO about carry status if they ask. My only concern is that some may abuse this by a select few by not giving a holder the opportunity to answer and then pinching them for failing to inform. If that happens, hopefully it is caught on a dash cam and gets resolved in court.

Tom from Chicago  

Posted: June 7th, 2013 8:22 AM

John, the DTI for this Bill is not as strict as lets say Ohio. This DTI is only if asked by LEO, (ie. Are you in possesion of any weapons, I need to be concerned about)as they would during any Terry Stop, whereas Ohio you must flat out Inform any LEO you come in contact with immediatley.


Posted: June 5th, 2013 11:44 AM

Restaurant carry was the biggest demand of the NRA & ISRA Mayberry types for this bill. NRA contract lobbyist Todd Vandermyde, not the Chicago Dems, placed Duty to Inform w/criminal penalties and UNLIMITED privacy waiver in Phelps "good" carry bill, but the rubes haven't figured out yet that Vandermyde is the worst enemy of gun owners in this state. The NRA medicine wagon came to town and Doc Vandermyde sold them some elixir, but the DTI is going to give them a headache when they wake up.

Tom from Chicago  

Posted: June 3rd, 2013 1:21 PM

Have no fear of the scary law abiding CCL holder with a concealed weapon 49 other states have it, and haven't seen the Wild West that we already have in some neighborhoods here, at least CCL will give the good guys a fighting chance against the savages.

Tom from Chicago  

Posted: June 3rd, 2013 1:18 PM

The Chicagoland media has brainwashed so many people in regards to firearms, their unreasonable paranoia is astounding to me. Law abiding citizens with CCL are looking only to protect themselves from the rampant savagery we have here in Chicagoland. Nothing is going to change in regards to the gang members/ criminals continuing their nonsense, the only change you will see is armed citizens protecting themselves (should our biased media actually report it, I highly doubt) and that is about it. Ha

Uncommon Sense  

Posted: June 3rd, 2013 11:22 AM

Where is the data that shows there is an issue with CC and bars? On the surface, it makes sense that you don't want drunk patrons pulling weapons on each other, but at the same time, if this were that big of an issue, there should be some data to bear that out. My guess is that those likely to apply for CC aren't hanging out in bars. 49 states have CC, I still don't get why liberals in IL think they are somehow different from the rest of the country.

joe from south oak park  

Posted: June 3rd, 2013 10:28 AM

the amended version of hb183 that passed both the senate and house also included provisions for CUI (carry under the influence) with the same blood alcohol percent and penalties as DUI. By keeping the threshold at 50% of revenue from alcohol sales it allows people to go to restaurants like Chipotle or Applebees but would exclude places like Avenue Ale House or Kinderhook Tap. I don't really see too many problems with issues at either establishment but law makers wanted these to be a GFZ.

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