Guns for self-defense or complete gun bans?

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By John Erickson

Recent letters by Sandra Shimon and John Barrett illustrate the main obstacle to decreasing gun violence in the U.S. The no-gun crowd (Gun No!ers) won't admit that what they really want is to ban guns and the use of guns by citizens for self-defense.

Some people do not like guns and/or will neither use guns to defend themselves against attack nor kill or injure an attacker if necessary. Everyone shouldn't own a gun.

Some of these same individuals do not want anyone else to own a gun or use it for self-defense. Everyone has an opinion.

Furthermore, some people don't really believe a criminal with a gun will actually shoot the victim of their crime! Teenagers with guns are not just kids having a little fun.

The no-gun crowd pays lip service to keeping guns away from criminals, domestic abusers and the dangerously mentally ill (DMI) while working almost exclusively to block gun usage and ownership by law-abiding citizens.

Banning non-violent citizens, legally carrying concealed, from buildings by hanging signs, while making no provision for keeping out violent criminals and DMI, may make some people feel good but it certainly won't prevent a shooting.

Opposing stop-and-frisk of known criminals, domestic abusers and DMI ("they have rights") while increasing checks and paperwork for legal gun transfers between law-abiding citizens ("universal background checks, no exceptions") is equally ineffective.

A DMI commits a mass killing occasionally and the call goes out to ban gun ownership by legal citizens. Daily shootings and murders in urban communities and the call doesn't ever go out. Why do you think these shootings occur daily?

Individuals failing background checks are neither checked out nor prosecuted. Criminals caught with guns are given reduced sentences after plea bargains to help the justice system work smoothly.

But woe to a law-abiding citizen who runs afoul of a local gun law by making an innocent mistake, which harms no one. The full force of the law comes down on him or her! 

I hope the Gun No!ers do the right thing and admit that their real goal is to ban guns. Stop holding progress toward decreasing gun violence hostage to completely banning guns in the U.S!

Only when we all admit what we really want can we work together toward decreasing gun violence.

If you want to decrease gun violence, vote "No" on the feel-good referendum in November.

Let the Gun No!ers know that you do not want to merely feel good about yourself; you want proposals that really will decrease gun violence! 

Remember to vote on the referendum, Nov. 4. 

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Monte from Torrance  

Posted: December 11th, 2014 12:44 AM

I think that the general population should give up all their guns as soon as everyone in politics from the president to the members of the senate and the house, and the judiciary stop having gun carrying individuals protecting themselves. Until that, they should go , alone, for a few strolls at night in some of our ghettos and talk nice to the thughs they encounter. I'm sure something good would happen. Just in case you are slow, there would be a few less stupid politicians.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: August 18th, 2014 10:20 AM

This forum for presenting other ideas is getting diluted by STUPID!!!

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 12th, 2014 6:39 PM

@Les Dear Les,or should I says Glen, please give it up cuz wes on to you. And we dont know why they lets you post your off topics in here, do you has anything to say about the gun ban? No, I didnt thinks so,

Les "Leroy" Golden watcher  

Posted: August 12th, 2014 1:12 PM

They removed the posts probably for the same reason you were permanently banned from Wikipedia, Les. The question should be, why are they still letting an obvious troll who uses multiple accounts post? Because it's attention you always want, you won't be getting any more from me. People, don't feed him.

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 12th, 2014 12:54 PM

And I bet Ed is really not funny Ellyn.

In Glen Ellyn formerly from OP  

Posted: August 11th, 2014 11:30 PM

"Leroy"- my guess is that you violated at least one of the comment rules, repeatedly. editor- Ed Zackley Posted: August 10th, 2014 11:42 AM Fo shizzle my mizzle Leroy! Leroy from West Austin Posted: August 10th, 2014 11:15 AM @Les .... Uh, OK, lulz! editor- I'd bet fitty cents that "Leroy" and "Ed" are the same person, even if not using the same internet connection. If they are the same connection, maybe it's time to politely END the troll's fun and privilege by finally blocking.

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 11th, 2014 10:39 PM

Why WJ deletes my comments?

OP Transplant  

Posted: August 11th, 2014 8:06 PM

I'm with you, Ray, but I don't think we live in a community that puts much pressure on village government to make it hard on criminals. If anything, I think criminals see OP as a good place to commit crimes. Many villagers associate being tough on crime with racial intolerance. In every community I've ever lived, the police were a pretty good reflection of public attitudes.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: August 11th, 2014 5:56 PM

@OP Transplant - So we just give in? We can tell Oak Park to get tough and be pro active. We have little reason to try to alter existing laws, but we can put pressure on our town to make it very uncomfortable for hooligans.

OP Transplant  

Posted: August 11th, 2014 11:47 AM

There's very little that local government can realistically do. No level of strict gun control laws will impact the 100's of millions of guns that are already out there, and guns can function for a very long time. Everything we don't want to happen is already illegal. Police are enforcing existing laws in a way that is consistent with the public will. We're living in the culture that the 2nd Amend has built. Everybody asks, "How can we make things better without changing anything?" We can't.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: August 11th, 2014 7:36 AM

@ George P - What real steps can Oak Park take to address the second amendment issue? Our opportunity to change national laws or regulations is in the same category with Publishers Clearing House sweeps. I believe we would have a shot at developing a village position on firearms in Oak Park. This position would address three issues and clarify what is permitted and what is not. The first issue is to acknowledge the validity of the second amendment and support residents legal rights while defining their responsibilities to their fellow residents. Second - set up an education program that would be made available to all residents - including children. The program could be a cooperative effort between the village and the NRA. The hours could be credited to the mandatory training for concealed carry permit. The cost of this program would be shared by the resident and the village. Third- Take a zero tolerance toward firearms felony and violence within our community. Be proactive in demanding maximum penalties for anyone who uses a firearm in the commission of a crime or assault. Get a group of retired lawyers who would volunteer to sit in court to press Oak Parks demand for full enforcement of the law. Get the local newspapers to keep a scorecard of what judges and prosecutors are letting bad people back on our streets The final report would be issued just before the judicial retention elections. The word would get out that Oak Park is a bad place to get caught using a gun to harm others. None of these steps are beyond the authority of our town and might give us the reputation of taking realistic steps to solve a problem.

George P. from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: August 10th, 2014 10:17 PM

Comment Policy advises those who post to "stick to the topic". Let's try that! I would like to read more ideas about working together to reduce gun violence. There seems to be a consensus the current laws are not not being effectively enorced and criminals too often are easily able to obtain weapons illegally. Proper training for law abiding citizens has also been stressed as a way to reduced accidental shootings. Is there a common ground that would serve to forward this discussion?

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 10th, 2014 6:47 PM

@Brian. There's a difference between making a mistakes and making up a lie. When I asked Ugh for a real name I wasn't asking for a full name. You made up the parts about using full names, maybe cuz you use yours. And actually my convo was between me and ugh and I never said anything to you until you interinjected yourself, so don't give me none of that be talking to ugh through you. For all I knows ugh IS you. Stop playing the fool.

Brian Slowiak from Westchester  

Posted: August 10th, 2014 5:24 PM

I don't know anyones real name except mine and a few others. You challenge Ugh by speaking to me and nor Ugh. I see your mistakes. You don't see your mistakes, or even admit mistakes. I maybe be incorrect, I may have been fooled. But I own up to those mistakes. You should try it.

Ed Zackley  

Posted: August 10th, 2014 5:14 PM

Brian: 1, Leroy: 0

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 10th, 2014 4:03 PM

@Brian... the more I looks at the thread, you come as the troll. You have one one on topic post that fits on one line. Every other post is an attack on me, my name, my mama, my daddy, my ledership abilties, your lies saying I'm distracting from issues. I have more on topic posts than you do. You say my posts make you think, but I aint seen any examples of thats yet.

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 10th, 2014 3:36 PM

@Brian... So I was ddebating the on-topic issue and Ugh's respondify with "Channeling your trolling methods through Huck Finn..." So Brians, tell me just how you wants me to debate that.? Stop acting the fool.

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 10th, 2014 3:30 PM

@Brian Are you being obtoose on purpose? I always uses my same name Leroy, thats my real name. Which name do you suggest is real, ugh, blah, ed zackley, mose, Trolls R Us, Pathetic Attempt, etc. So which one, tell us all please, is Ugh's real name? You seem to knows, so tells us. Stop acting the fool.

Brian Slowiak from Westchester  

Posted: August 10th, 2014 1:13 PM

If Leroy wants to debate the issue, fine w/me. However his comment posted Aug 08 @ 728 PM "@ ugh I see you are too embarrassed at your comments use use your real name" certainly suggests Leroy wants to distract from the issue rather than engage the issue. Leroy will not use his name, common or not, but will call out someone for doing the same thing. Sad that freedom of speech is so cheap.

Ed Zackley  

Posted: August 10th, 2014 11:42 AM

Fo shizzle my mizzle Leroy!

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 10th, 2014 11:15 AM

@Les .... Uh, OK, lulz!

RF Dan  

Posted: August 10th, 2014 7:37 AM

other than dare to question the argument that a bunch of people carrying guns in OP would reduce crime...what exactly has Leroy done wrong? I think Leroy's argument was one gun means a stolen cell phone, two guns = 1 person being shot, probably the robbery victim..I agree with Leroy, these punks are not scared by armed victims, they are animals

Leroy's full name is Les Golden  

Posted: August 10th, 2014 7:08 AM

Racist, trolling, puns, fake supporting accounts, obviously thinks he's hilarious. Now that we know this site has finally figured out how to ban ip addresses, I hope they will take action.

Melanie from Forest Park  

Posted: August 10th, 2014 3:23 AM

Leroy says it like it is! I love Leroy, he's like a breathe of fun and fresh air! I would be afraid to say what he has said. but not no more! You rock Leroy, maybe we can start a campaign and get you elected somewhere! You seem very informed.I'm watching out to read your posts.

Jamez from Oak Park  

Posted: August 10th, 2014 3:09 AM

I've been watching this and have no horse in the race, but Leroy speaks the truth brother, you're trying to stick words in his mouth that he didnt say. Power to Leroy! Brian would be wise to listen, thats pure truth coming from Leroy. I can dig it Leroy, I dont have any pre-concieved notions about you. Spill it loudly!

Leroy Sloviak from West Austin  

Posted: August 10th, 2014 2:55 AM

@Brian... I think you are mistaken, I never demanded any last names. This is something you came up with and then tried to attributes to me. I dont care about last names and never did. thats you baby. I just dont like teh fake names, ugh, troll, blah, etc. Dont make up stuff or try to attrib to me. I say what i means, you make up the bs. I didnt say the bs. That was youse. Nice try.

Brian Slowiak from Westchester  

Posted: August 10th, 2014 1:57 AM

I never asked you to play. I asked for your full name. Especially since you called some one else out for not using their full name. I am sure the Czechs are quite proud of you. Your daddy was a Confederate Soldier ? My likes never entered the inquiry. Check mate, or make that Czech Mate.

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 9th, 2014 11:33 PM


Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 9th, 2014 11:29 PM

stupid spel czecher

Leroy Sloviak from West Autism  

Posted: August 9th, 2014 11:24 PM

I dont think I likes using the full name. Buts maybe this what Brian likes? I wait for his next response.

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 9th, 2014 11:20 PM


Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 9th, 2014 11:18 PM

@ Brian... Ok I plays... my last name is commomn spelling, common name, similar to yours. It's Sloviak with as V. I'm kinda embarrased by it cause my mama named me that since I was born in Cheko Sloviakia, my daddy a CS. So now tell me Brian, do you feel better knowing that? Sometimes you needs to be careful what you asks for because then you gets it. Wish my name was more American like Brown or Johnson, but there it is. Now what?

Brian Slowiak from Westchester  

Posted: August 9th, 2014 11:04 PM

2 Leroy; "if everyone else uses their last name, so I will too". Glad to see you are a follower and not a leader.

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 9th, 2014 10:55 PM

@ Ed Zackley re. not uglies Ed, Im sure you face looks Zackley like my behind. LOL! That right, LOL @ you!

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 9th, 2014 10:40 PM

@Brian... I choose to keep my last name private, it isn't a requiremented. Even if it was, its common enough name so don't know why its important unless you wants to write me a check haha. If everyone uses their last name so i will too. Ben Franklin could go fly a kite.

Brian Slowiak from Westchester  

Posted: August 9th, 2014 3:26 PM

@ Leroy: What is the last name your mother gave you?Ben Franklin used the name "Silence Dogood" for some of his writings.

Ed Zackley  

Posted: August 9th, 2014 2:17 PM

I have confidences that we are all specials and not uglies

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 9th, 2014 11:07 AM

@blah. Yeah excepts my name isn't Leeroy, its Leroy and I haven't used any fake names like you do. You must have no confidences in what you say cause you need to use fake names for your racist trolls posts. I can see why your mama had a hard time choosing between Ugh and Blah. I'm proud to use my name and have convixions about what I write, you just hear to try to cut others down to try to make yourself feel specials. Smart folk know that you are playing the fool.

Blah Blah Blah from Oak Park  

Posted: August 9th, 2014 10:50 AM

See the funny thing is, Leroy, that you're attempting to troll and you can't even do that right. If you're going to spell the name right with your desired racial connotations it should be spelled Leeroy (as in Leeroy Jenkins). You know what that was, you just got backwards trolled... I realized the saddest thing of your troll attempt is that you probably already live in my community, unfortunately. I hope you put this much dedication in once school starts up in a few weeks. -Ugh (formerly)

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 9th, 2014 8:26 AM

@Brian Hassing to leaves Oak Park shouldn't be a requirement for being able to thinks, but I beginning to see your point. Maybe I bypass OP and moves to RF. Think about this.. Leroy is the name my mama gave me. You had a to be pretty uglies for a mother to name her kid Ugh.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: August 9th, 2014 8:06 AM

@ joe - you are correct about the two sides of this argument! The regulator side know they cannot do anything about the people who use guns for criminal activities so they do the only thing they know how to do and demonize and regulate those of us who are not the problem. The year long rights/responsibilities meetings were initiated by the pro second amendment group and we participated primarily to defend a constitutional right that was denied us for thirty plus years. We tried to bring honest factual information to the table and were met with endless pages of " Thou shalt do this and that ." Most of the "reasonable" demands were a tangible demonstration of how little they knew about the subject at hand.We threw in the towel when we understood that constitutional rights and reasonable actions can be trumped by uninformed progressive activism.

Brian Slowiak from Westchester  

Posted: August 9th, 2014 7:37 AM

@ Leroy: You chastised Ugh for not using their full name, which is what you do, that is not using your full name. I lived in Oak Park for 30 years, and recently escaped. Post what you wish, I would rather have some one speak their mind, so I know exactly what they are thinking. Your posts, make us think. Thinking is more powerful than speaking.

mose from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: August 9th, 2014 1:24 AM

"Trolls are us" nailed it! The fractured language and spelling errors reveal an intention that comes off as both racist and sad. Wonder what compels someone to attempt such a stunt? Leroy may just crave attention, believe his crudeness works or is a really nasty piece of work. Whatever the case, this discussion has been derailed. Too bad. It's an interesting topic.

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 9th, 2014 12:04 AM

@Brian. Yes I live in Austin right next to OP, so what? I'm even moving there. What do we know bout you and Ellyn? Neither of you live in OP or as close as I do. My opinion counts here too. Don't your towns have forums where you can make fun of your own peoples instead of coming here to argue with someone cause they be a bit different than you?

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 8th, 2014 11:55 PM

@Glen Ellyn You are wrong, the troll race bater the editor was talks about named A Dad, notiss he is banned and doesn't post no mores. I challenge you to post a link were I race bate anyone. You can't so atop making stuffs up. I like all races and am moving to OP. You stay in GE, and make up stories, you and racist friends with fake names

In Glen Ellyn formerly from OP  

Posted: August 8th, 2014 10:54 PM

Brian- we established he was a troll on one of the two parallel conversations a week or two ago from the two reports on the backyard armed robbery on Clinton, both of which were cleared and closed to further comments after a couple more days or more of bantering race baiting around the time the WJ editor posted about several ficticious posters using the same internet connection, presumably coming from the same person, just posing. Yes, "Leroy", is also still playing.

Trolls R Us  

Posted: August 8th, 2014 10:50 PM

Guys, Leroy is a racist troll, not a person. It's some stupid white person's joke on how he thinks black people talk. The comments on this website are written by jackasses and trolls.

Brian Slowiak from Westchester  

Posted: August 8th, 2014 10:27 PM

@ Leroy: You may or may not live in Austin. And you don't post with your full name either.

joe from south oak park  

Posted: August 8th, 2014 10:23 PM

seriously people, y'all are never going to come to any conclusion. Anti gun folks are a bit hurt over the whole loss of the handgun ban. too bad for them. Pro gun folks are celebrating heller, macdonald, and concealed carry. all the impassioned arguments on either side aren't going to sway anyone, the politics are too polarized for any rational argument to be heard at this point. not to mention that this silly referendum thing is meaningless and toothless, enough already.

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 8th, 2014 9:55 PM

@Brian. West Austin is the area I'm from.

Ed Zackley  

Posted: August 8th, 2014 8:45 PM

Leroy, the tolerants peoples ain't done nuffins wrong.

Brian Slowiak from Westchester  

Posted: August 8th, 2014 8:22 PM

So, I guess, Leroy from West Austin is a real name?

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 8th, 2014 7:28 PM

@Ugh. I see you are too embarrassed at your comment use use your real name. You just jealous because I can talk sense without insults or racist tones.

Ugh from Oak Park  

Posted: August 8th, 2014 4:08 PM

If there were ever a case for an IP address message board ban, Leroy would be it. Channeling your trolling methods through Huck Finn...

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 8th, 2014 3:27 PM

@ In Glen. You Ed zackley right about enforcing the current Laws or fixing the broken laws. Making new laws is stupid, because the only peoples obeying the laws are the good guys. The bad guys don't care about what the laws says, many of them cants read the laws anyhow. The good guys ain't done nuffins wrong, but they always want to make new laws against good guys. If two people have guns, at least one is gonna get shot. If one has a gun, give him your phone and no one gets shot.

In Glen Ellyn Formerly from OP  

Posted: August 8th, 2014 11:55 AM

btw, a competent handgun owner knows how to use it in an emergency without advertising to anyone he can or that he even has one hidden safely away. This isn't an endorsement to skirt any ban laws, and I would expect the full force of law should apply to maliscious or flagrant violators. Competent owners respect the responsibilty and finality of consequences in owning such a thing. Gun ownership competence is simply not available to all who might conscientiously apply. Gawd help us.

In Glen Ellyn formerly from OP  

Posted: August 8th, 2014 11:41 AM

A handgun, like a bomb, has a sole, or primary, purpose that most of us never want to see fulfilled. So, ultimately, if we reach the peaceful common goal of never using them, we won't even need or want them. If we don't have them, we can't use them. The crooks? They have them and misuse them, enabled by poorly enforced existing and inconsistently implemented laws. The tragic accidents at home? Irresponsible idiots who can't handle lawful gun ownership. Fix the laws or don't allow guns.

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 8th, 2014 10:01 AM

@editorial writer. Ed, the good guy will look at the sign and say "I better nots go in there because I brakes the law" the bad guy sees the sign and says"I go robbins in there because nobody will have a gun accept me". Only good guys follow the law, the bad guy is bad because he don't care about the law or signs. That's why there should be no guns in OP, that way nobody hurt, just give him your phone and money and he'll go away. You can buy a new phone.

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 8th, 2014 9:51 AM

@Mose You got a nice name, right out of the good book. Lots of my friends called Moses too. Maybe you from Austin too? You don't seem like from OP, criticizing peoples for the way they write and spell. Maybe you and Ray are the same person?

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 8th, 2014 9:43 AM

@Ray. Sometimes my spell chicken screws up, as does yours. You've been misspelling my name all along but you hardly see me making a stink about your faults. You need to be more accepting and tolerant to of others, that's the OP way. Won't nothing wrong with my grammar, I write the same ways that everyone talks. You said a little funny and snobby at to mes, but I can accept that.

Brian Slowiak from Westchester  

Posted: August 8th, 2014 9:29 AM

So, no gun equals no shooting.Except that the DMI and the criminal will not abide by the law.


Posted: August 8th, 2014 8:56 AM

And to say I don't want guns in public places--that I object to conceal and carry--is NOT the same as saying ban guns completely. Those two statements do not equal each other. The leap you are making in your editorial is unfounded.


Posted: August 8th, 2014 8:51 AM

The author writes: "Banning non-violent citizens, legally carrying concealed, from buildings by hanging signs, while making no provision for keeping out violent criminals and DMI, may make some people feel good but it certainly won't prevent a shooting." Um -- yes it would. No gun, no possibility of shooting. At all.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: August 8th, 2014 6:59 AM

@ LeRoy - Your choice of words is interesting. Poor grammar and poorer spelling doesn't hide your objective. My father always said that your vocabulary is a window to your intellect.

Mose from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: August 8th, 2014 2:29 AM

Leroy, you really do seem to go in and out character at times and wonder if that is why you are viewed as a troll. The banter of your posts seem so forced it as if you are trying to portray yourself as some one you are not.

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 8th, 2014 1:45 AM

Vote No Guns for Oak Park!!!

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 7th, 2014 5:04 PM

@Pathetic Attempt At least I'm not hiding behind a fake name like you is. Or are you simply describing your parents ability to raise their children? Try adding something of valued to evalate the conversation.

Pathetic Attempt from Oak Park  

Posted: August 7th, 2014 2:43 PM

You get about a 2-10 on the troll meter Leroy. I appreciate the effort, but, know.

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 7th, 2014 2:11 PM

Why are you implying that I'm some kind of thug? Is it because of my name or where I live? Most Oak Parked nice peoples, not like you. Oak Parkers are supposedly known as tolerants peoples, but your comments has a racist tone. Maybe if you going to live in Oak Park you need to falls into the box and practice on your tolerance for others the Oak Park way. Try to be more like us, we don't discrmnate because your from OP, we like Oak Parkers, even the snobs whose nice to us. Shame on you.

mike brown  

Posted: August 6th, 2014 3:00 PM

So Leroy are you saying you prefer your victims unarmed?

Leroy from West Austin  

Posted: August 6th, 2014 1:45 PM

@Ray, I'm between jobs at the moment.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: August 6th, 2014 1:37 PM

@ LeRoy - I assume that you are just trying to make your job easier.

Bob Canavan  

Posted: August 6th, 2014 12:28 PM

Sounds good, Yokel. So what specific laws do you want enacted - laws that aren't already on the books?

Ray Simpson from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: August 5th, 2014 2:14 PM

@ Yokel - how do you propose to accomplish your restrictions? We already have volumes of laws restricting gun ownership and use. Most of those laws are ignored because of the societal pressures of doing anything that might make someone think you are a racist or that putting bad people away is expensive. Every suggestion from the responsibilities group (GRU) include new laws that have no more chance of being enforced than the old ones that are being ignored. I would agree to new laws if there was any proof that the existing laws are being enforced to the maximum. You know that enforcement is a low priority. Our illustrious politicians make their plea for retention by deceiving us that next time we return them to Washington they will craft the perfect law that will solve all of thew worlds problems. Hasn't happened before and will not happen next time - they know it and we just are to stupid to kick the bums out!

Local yokel  

Posted: August 5th, 2014 1:52 PM

What sensible people who are opposed to rampant gun violence want is to make it much more difficult to own and use a gun, just as it is in Canada, the UK, Japan and the rest of the developed world. Easy access to gun purchases and allowing concealed weapons in public places are a guaranteed recipe for disaster. It's not just the criminally insane or thugs who use guns to kill, but normal people who get drunk, angry, depressed or desperate. Guns don't kill people...People with guns kill people.

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