A threat to justice everywhere

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Last weekend, the University of Virginia and the City of Charlottesville were the scene of horrific acts of violence, bigotry and racist intimidation. Dominican University condemns these shameful and hateful actions of white nationalists, Neo-Nazis and alt-right activists on and around the Charlottesville campus. These actions led to the tragic deaths of three people and to many serious injuries. 

Pope Francis reminds us that "bigotry and intolerance must be confronted in all its forms." At Dominican, we stand resolutely with all those who confronted bigotry and intolerance in Charlottesville. In times like these, we are reminded of the words of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. in his epic Letter from Birmingham Jail: "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

A university campus is no place for racism, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, homophobia or misogyny. As we begin the academic year, we extend our prayers and support to the students, faculty and staff of the University of Virginia and to the Charlottesville community. We stand united with them and with the tens of millions of Americas who value diversity, inclusion, civility and respect. We affirm the power of inclusion to uphold the dignity of the individual and to advance the common good.

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Jenna Brown Russell  

Posted: August 21st, 2017 8:11 PM

Public and private unions are private money (much of it once our own private money) and the top funders of campaigns across Illinois and the nation. I'd absolutely be open grinding lobbying activities to dust, but it must include everybody's lobbyist. The NEA and SEIU cannot have some ownership of the taxpayers kitty, and the citizens' government.

Barbara Joan  

Posted: August 21st, 2017 4:58 PM

"We need to remove all private money from the equation. It's all special interests now". Wall St. control, global agreements that are no good for the USA, government subsidies and corporate welfare must go!...http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/21/its-time-to-audit-the-fed/?utm_content=buffer89024&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer .........https://www.ronpaul.com/audit-the-federal-reserve-hr-1207/

Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 21st, 2017 2:53 PM

@Ramona. It's going to take a lot longer than 6 months to correct 8 years of Obama's screwups. I'm thinking 8 years of Trump, 8 years of Pence, than 8 years of the first woman President Ivanka, who will usher in the golden years of Barron.

Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 21st, 2017 2:29 PM

Now would be a good time to contemplate where your tuition and charitable contributions money is going, and the satisfaction you are receiving in return.

Ramona Lopez  

Posted: August 21st, 2017 2:07 PM

Jason. Agree 100% regarding campaign finance. More people (not just the wealthy) could run for public office. Please do not give the president any credit for the economy. You do realize the Federal Reserve is a "private bank" and is not controlled by congress or the president. The economy has doing well since Trump got elected, are you going to give him the same credit you give President Obama? ACA is nothing but a sham. I work for a not for profit and we handle intake for the ACA. People who were uninsured and on welfare are now technically "insured" even thought they still pay NOTHING for it. They have simply been reclassified as being insured. It's just another way politicians lie with numbers. Obama did the same thing when he reclassified undocumented people caught at the border and sent back as being "deported". The previous administration did not count them as deported. This made President Obama look better on paper to give us the impression he was protecting the border and to appease the right. Lastly, if you want affordable healthcare for all, then you would be an advocate to remove the gov;t from subsidizing it. In 2015 the United States spent $3.2 TRILLION on healthcare. Of that, 1.2 TRILLION was spent by the federal government. As long the gov't continues to subsidize it the cost will continue to rise. Similar to college tuition. As long as the gov't will make the loan, the schools don't care. They just keep on raising tuition. Doesn't matter that they have BILLIONS in their endowments, or they pay ZERO taxes since they are not for profit, etc. Anytime the gov't subsidizes anything it automatically becomes inefficient and overpriced.

Jason Cohen  

Posted: August 21st, 2017 1:39 PM

@Ramona, I agree with you that politics in this country has become somewhat of a joke. We need to remove all private money from the equation. It's all special interests now. I don't agree with what you said about Obama though. Are you familiar with what our economy was like when he stepped into office? It's no coincidence that it improved dramatically under his watch. Let's also not forget about the "terrible" ACA that is so bad a stacked Republican government can't even overturn it. I definitely think it needs improvements but affordable healthcare for all shouldn't be up for debate. Obama certainly made his mistakes but saying he did nothing isn't correct.

Ramona Lopez  

Posted: August 21st, 2017 12:35 PM

Jason...Really? Are you going to stoop that low. Now you sound like the Republicans when President Obama was elected and the Dems controlled the house and senate and got NOTHING done!!! Are you just as critical of our state government? The dems have had supermajority for years and the governors office, yet never a raise in the minimum wage, never a fair educational funding formula, never a progressive tax increase, etc. and suddenly when we have a Republican governor, it becomes something to fight for? Literally had decades to get "progressive" policies passed and did NOTHING. Dems are just as power hungry and useless as the Republicans. Glad I vote 3rd party.

Jason Cohen  

Posted: August 21st, 2017 12:00 PM

Richard/Ken/Barbara - One can only hope there's a day soon where the Republicans run all major houses of government and this can all be fixed. Only then will we be able to truly see the power of what the great Republican leadership can do. Oh wait!!! Hahahahahahaha. I almost forgot you guys have that and are a compete failure. I am sure it's the lefts fault though.

Brian Slowiak  

Posted: August 20th, 2017 4:15 PM

Does any one know how the KKK, which was found by Southern Democrats, who marched in uniform to a Democrat Convention in the 1920s, was allowed on to the floor in uniform at that convention, had Sen. Robert Byrd as not only a member but person who sought and obtained upper management position, as group suddenly turn to the right?

Richard Stephen  

Posted: August 20th, 2017 11:28 AM

Mr. Hanline: If you thing that Antifa is some loosely knit group of individuals who stand up for justice and whose sole purpose is to fight racism and hate, you obviously haven't been exposed much to their tactics or philosophies. They are a highly organized mob of thugs whose far left worldview would make Karl Marx blush if he wasn't so busy spinning around in his grave. I abhor all forms of political and religious extremism, whether they be left or right wing. I've read many of your comments and you seem like a pretty intelligent fellow, so please understand that my concerns with the violent tactics of Antifa is not some backhanded endorsement or support for the haters on the far right. Since you said you weren't acquainted with Antifa until recent events in Virginia, I'd suggest you do a little research on them to see just how extreme their views and tactics are. They pose a threat to a free society as much as any hate group on the right. They want America destroyed.

Richard Stephen  

Posted: August 20th, 2017 11:17 AM

But Ken, when the history doesn't support the narrative, you simply begin to destroy the history. It's that simple. Think George Orwell's "Nineteen Eighty-Four." Or ISIS, the Taliban,and Al Queda. Or Book-burning by the Nazis. When you don't like something, cuz it does not meet your Utopian vision,you make it illegal, or better yet, you destroy it. Get with the program, comrade, before you are branded a counter-revolutionary, or better yet, a Nazi. That's the new protocol, if your political views are right of center, or even center, you're a Nazi.

Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 20th, 2017 11:01 AM

@Dwyer. I can always tell when the person I'm debating is losing, they start hurling their backhanded insults. It's you who needs to read a history book. While slavery was the underlying cause of the civil war, it was actually fought to try to keep roughly ten southern states from secceeding from the Union. Slavery was actually legal by law, and in the Constitution. Look up the three fifths compromise and the fugitive slave clause. Even the courts agreed, think Dred Scott. Even Abraham Lincoln knew what the law was. At his inauguration he said, "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in the United States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so." When the southern states continued their efforts to secceed and started seizing forts, the war began. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation didn't end slavery, it just freed slaves in ten states if they escaped to the north. When they did, they were enlisted into the Union army. It only freed the slaves in the states try to secceed, it did not free slaves in Kentucky, Maryland, Delaware, and Missouri. It was only after the Civil War that the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution was adopted, naming slavery by changing the rule of law. It was followed by the Fourteenth Amendment which gave former slaves citizenship rights and gave them equal protection of the laws. So it's not at all like you say "Your 'rule of law' had to be enforced by others blood and deaths". That is something you would read in a U.S. History by Bill Dwyer comic book. The Thirteenth Amendment is the rule of law that keeps slavery from being a reality, and it is enforced by our Judicial system. But go ahead and keep getting your history from Antifa, and good luck with your march towards civil war. You will finally get the story right as you get to experience getting crushed on a real battlefield, instead of being a keyboard General.

Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 19th, 2017 10:28 PM

@Joan. Unfortunately it would be much different today Barbara. The liberals have been living in their bubbles and have been fed a steady diet of Kumbaya by America haters like George Soros and his ilk. They promise unicorns farting rainbows and sparkles if you would only resist the President, and the libs eat it up, especially in Oak Park. Keyboard commandos like Dwyer and Handline eat that up and join the march of the nation towards civil war. What they don't give a thought to is how they will win their war. They won't have to worry about foreigners coming to steal their possessions or rape their wives and children, all that will be done before they return from work on the day the balloon goes up. There's an awful lot of people who have taken notice of a huge village that boasts of being a gun free zone utopia. When the civil war starts, what will Dwyer and Hanlne type in their keyboards to make their have not neighbors want to spare them? The foreigners don't stand a chance Barbara

Bill Dwyer  

Posted: August 19th, 2017 9:54 PM

Excuse me, Stucken. I mistook you for a an intelligent person with a lucid mind who could understand a point of argument clearly made. Obviously you can't. My mistake.

Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 19th, 2017 9:31 PM

@Hanline. Lol, Hairline! Now I'm not sure if that was my spellchecker or something subliminal that happened! No offense intended:-) I'm just going to double-down here and say that if you are placing your hopes of winning something, or creating some kind of liberal Utopia through the help of these Antifools, one day you will be longing for the time you could act brave in the comment section of WJ, and then go sleep peaceably in your bed at night. You want civil war? I guarantee it will be harsh , fast, and merciless, and your life will never be the same. Why do you hate your country? What did you do today to support your President and help the country move forward? Why is your team so anti-progress?

Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 19th, 2017 9:13 PM

@Dwyer. You are living in some fantasy world. Slavery was abolished when the 13th Amendment to the Constitution was ratified, and remains law to this day. Are you really thinking that Antifa is going to save the country by killing 702,000 white people in some new civil war? Be careful what you wish for because you might not like the results, things may not turn out the way you think. It's pretty easy being a keyboard commando, it won't be so easy should you have to back it up in real life.

Barbara Joan  

Posted: August 19th, 2017 6:14 PM

I just read this on yahoo and think is it so worth sharing... Perhaps the sadest part of all of this is that, 152 years after Appomattox, America has forgotten what the survivors of the Civil War learned at a ghastly price. When General Lee surrendered, General Grant gave his men 25,000 rations, because they were starving. Lee and his men were permitted to keep their arms and horses and allowed to go home. Union soldiers wept, and shouted hurrahs. The healing of America began that day. Lee's men were honored with respect, and dignity. Why? Why, after the bloodiest, most destructive conflict in the Western Hemisphere did the victors choose not to exact a horrible retribution upon secessionist traitors and slavers? And what gives us the wisdom, in this day, to say we have more justification to do so than the victors themselves? They knew something that, unfortunately, we have forgotten. Their messages to us, their children, have been lost. May God spare us from having to re-learn that lesson at similar cost. In 1863, had our foreign enemies decided to take the opportunity to conquer the entire country, they would not have been able to do so, because the American armies were already the largest and most powerful on Earth. But today, Civil War II would be an invitation for all our enemies abroad to act in concert to destroy us. That is precisely what is happening. After Americans are at each other's throats and our cities are in ruin and flames, the foreign entities that instigated it and financed it along with anti-american traitors among us will take the opportunity to destroy us all.We will than be ruled by ruthless tyrants who have little respect for life liberty, freedom, and our pursuit of happiness.

Mike Hanline  

Posted: August 19th, 2017 4:36 PM

Hairline? Am I supposed to take offense to that? Perhaps I would if I were the type of person who still clings to a third-grade mentality and gleefully peppers the WJ comments section with "snowflake" insults on a regular basis. Slavery was ended by the Civil War (i.e., violence), not by the rule of law. Because when the South decided they didn't care so much for our "rule of law," they raised an army and formed the traitorous Confederacy instead. Or did you forget that, Ken? Until Charlottesville, I had never even heard of Antifa. But if they exist for the sole purpose of punching back against the neo-Nazis and the KKK, then good for them. And if you're really going to equate a loosely-knit group of individuals who at worst are guilty of some tit-for-tat violence and destruction of public property, with established hate groups who have a long history of anti-Semitism, Holocaust denial, racial intimidation, lynchings, cross burnings, murder, etc., then we most certainly are done here. But to my point, I was drawing a comparison between anyone today who has the courage to fight against hate and racism (regardless of political leanings), while people like you idly stand around and shrug their shoulders saying, "Whaddya gonna do? Unlike the other guys, they obtained a permit and everything so they obviously respect the rule of law. They can't be ALL bad."

Bill Dwyer  

Posted: August 19th, 2017 3:01 PM

"Slavery was ended because of the rule of law, not by groups of Antifa thugs"? You're not even close to the facts, Ken. Try reading a history book. Slavery was ended because 702,000 Union troops were killed or wounded battling against people who attacked the United States and tried to start another country where they could continue enslaving black people to do their hard work for them. Your "rule of law" had to be enforced by others blood and deaths.

Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 19th, 2017 1:53 PM

@Hairline. =taking a stand against evil= Let's fight evil with more evil! You are really going to equate Antifa with good people who ended slavery? Slavery was ended because of the rule of law, not by groups of Antifa thugs. I think we're done here.

Barbara Joan  

Posted: August 19th, 2017 12:34 PM

Many people claiming they want to live in a world where peace and love unite all good people do not allow true healing and progress to manifest if they do not have full control over the narrative and agenda...."Or perhaps you're incapable of viewing the world through anything but "right-versus-left" spectacles, whereas the rest of us "special snowflakes" see this as taking a stand against evil. "

Mike Hanline  

Posted: August 19th, 2017 11:08 AM

Or perhaps you're incapable of viewing the world through anything but "right-versus-left" spectacles, whereas the rest of us "special snowflakes" see this as taking a stand against evil. These aren't hypotheticals, Ken; this is the reality: 6 million Jews didn't survive the concentration camps, countless numbers of black people have been murdered and terrorized by the KKK and other cowardly white supremacists since the end of the Civil War, and the number of active hate groups in the U.S. began to spike once again following the election of a black President and continue to increase under Trump. Without the neo-Nazis and the KKK, there is no Antifa. But in your mind, there is no difference between hate-mongerers and those who would rise up to defeat them because "free speech." Ultimately, slavery wasn't ended and the genocide of the Jewish people wasn't halted because good people sat on their hands and appealed to logic. If logic ruled the day, we wouldn't still be having these conversations 150 years after the end of the Civil War, 75 years after the end off WWII, and 50 years after the Civil Rights movement.

Barbara Joan  

Posted: August 19th, 2017 8:08 AM

The U.S.Constitution guarantees our civil rights and liberties and freedom. Americans and those legally residing and visiting the USA must uphold our laws, And all who tread within our borders must abide by our laws. Civility is achieved through respect of law and order. Redefining justice to suit random agendas will destroy our nation and people.

Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 18th, 2017 8:22 PM

Thanks for showing your violent streak, although I'm pretty sure it's just false bravado.. Most libs are controlled by their emotions rather than by logic. This is where the term 'special snowflake' comes from,. not to mention all the shrill, and all of those tears. The adults who survived those camps also survived the march. Most of those older kids who wanted to grab bats survived too, and grew up to be normal adults. However many did not, the snowflakes, we see plenty of examples during current events. Not that there's anything wrong with having emotions, it's just that some people never learn how to control them. As an example, I laughed when Jake and Elwood upset the Nazi March in the Blues Bros. movie, but I can separate real-life from fiction. As for your wish to wear a badge of honor, be careful what you wish for because there will be no honor in the left's slow-marching the nation towards a civil war. You would be better served getting a leash around your emotions and take joy that you are able to live in a time of peace. Go ask your tattooed friends what kind of world they would rather live in. They would straighten you out quickly

Bill Dwyer  

Posted: August 18th, 2017 7:19 PM

Touche, Mike Hanline. Thank you.

Mike Hanline  

Posted: August 18th, 2017 5:52 PM

Since Ken brought it up earlier, my hometown just happens to be Skokie (full disclosure: I'm Catholic, not Jewish). I remember the first time I noticed an older woman in a grocery store with numbers tattooed on her arm and my mother had to explain to me what it meant (this was not an uncommon sight, as I believe Skokie at the time had one of the world's largest population of concentration camp survivors). A couple of years later, I remember when the neo-Nazis fought to match through our downtown. I was too young to fully appreciate the significance of what was happening but not young enough to escape the fear and tension that hung in the air--it permeated everything. I remember the older kids in the neighborhood talking about showing up with baseball bats if the march were allowed to proceed. Few things piss me off more than hypocrisy--I'm sensitive to it and am always self-evaluating as to whether I might be guilty of it myself in any given situation. On the one hand, I believe hate groups should be entitled to the same First Amendment rights as the rest of us, but on the other, I think much of their rhetoric borders on yelling "Fire!" in a crowded movie theater. Personally, I would love to see Americans from all walks of life take up arms and stomp every last one of them out of existence like the cockroaches that they are. If that makes me a hypocrite, then so be it. This is one of those rare instances where I'll gladly wear that label as a badge of honor.

Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 18th, 2017 3:10 PM

As for Mike's question. I believe that while we come in all shapes, colors, and sizes, I couldn't say that any group is superior to another. Some may have some advantages, but they also have disadvantages, so it's pretty much a wash. So I don't buy into the whole supremacy thing, whether white, black, or green. I do however believe in our laws and Constitution, and I do believe any group, even supremists, have a right to assemble peaceably, or peacefully. The First Amendment allows such assembly, but it's not without regulation.For example, it doesn't allow you to tell fire in a crowded theater, and local government may require permits so that it can work logistically with the population that isn't part of the protesting or assembly. Designated areas are another example of regulation. And when they assemble peacefully, the police should not be able to break up or thwart that assembly as long as it remains peaceful. And if there is a police presence, their role should be to maintain the peace, and not allow others to try to thwart that peaceful assembly. Unlike what the police in Charlottesville did, they sat back and let it get out of hand, so they can share in some off the blame too. I know it sounds radical to those on the left who like to silence opposing opinions, but there it is. You can always put on your blinders and get shrill and shriek while flailing your arms about. It's your right and we're already used to it.

Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 18th, 2017 2:46 PM

Well then he said the same thing Trump did, but it took him a lot longer to say it. Trump condemned the violence after it happened and still caught criticism that he took too long.

Ramona Lopez  

Posted: August 18th, 2017 2:36 PM

Ken....Jason has clearly stated that violence from either side is unacceptable.

Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 18th, 2017 2:28 PM

But what about violence from the left Jason? Do you codemn it or not? Yes or no? If anyone is dancing, it's you.

Jason Cohen  

Posted: August 18th, 2017 2:02 PM

@Ken, violence during protests is unacceptable. I said that below so I am not sure how this is "vague". Meanwhile as we are having this fun dance Trump has fired yet another amazing bigly awesome hire so continue to enjoy the greatness of our new leader. Peace out all and enjoy. Let's keep op.com a violence free zone. :-)

Barbara Joan  

Posted: August 18th, 2017 1:59 PM

Hate is hate--it comes in all flavors, none of which are acceptable regardless of trending social justice agendas..

Ramona Lopez  

Posted: August 18th, 2017 12:52 PM

Jason...the point is that if this was the KKK who burned a flag and hung their own it would be all over every major media outlet. That cannot be denied. Again, just pointing out hypocrisy, nothing more.

Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 18th, 2017 12:36 PM

Jason, your spin was as wordy as Mike's. The question was if you condemn the violence from the left. It's pretty much a y/n answer. I'd like to know Mike's answer so that I can then answer his question. We kind of made a deal and I'd like to follow through.

Jason Cohen  

Posted: August 18th, 2017 12:30 PM

@Ramona, you keep posting links that don't really prove anything. These people weren't violent. They did something illegal and I don't condone their actions but they protested and burned a flag. I don't see anyone going to the hospital over it.

Jason Cohen  

Posted: August 18th, 2017 12:27 PM

@Ken, I think Mike said it well but to make it very simple for you I will put my spin on it. Violence during protests isn't acceptable period. That doesn't mean everyone is equally to blame though. Do you really believe you could be yelled at with horrible hateful comments and remain perfectly calm? Now that the violence is bad is out of the way how about you actually answer a question for once since we have. Do you believe that these hate groups are horrible people and you condemn them for their actions? Do you believe the protesters were partially to blame for the murder that took place? All the Dems I know are reasonable people that admit that our side has issues and all I see from Trump and all his fans is that he's never wrong and everyone's else always is.

Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 18th, 2017 11:53 AM

@Mike. That was kind of wordy and my question was really simple. Just so that I understand your answer, are you saying you condemn the violence from the left as well, or are you saying the violence from the left was ok in this instance?

Ramona Lopez  

Posted: August 18th, 2017 11:44 AM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/09f7d5de-d494-37e6-9d2c-dfbb77a11fe5/ss_protesters-storm-gov%E2%80%99t.html Mike, You don't consider people who storm a government building, burn the county flag and raise their own antifa flag bad? The hypocrisy is laughable now Mike. So since one group has a history of being violent that excuses the other side's violence? Of course only those on the right according to you can be "bad guys". Again....only here to point out the B.S. hypocrisy. It is literally clear as day. Any reasonable or prudent person can see it.

Mike Hanline  

Posted: August 18th, 2017 11:36 AM

Deal. From what I've read and from what I've seen, violence was initiated by both sides--it's pointless to try and figure out who drew first blood. That being said, hate groups such as the KKK and the neo-Nazis have always fed off of their ability to intimidate and to strike fear. From the torches and clubs, to the shields emblazoned with white supremacy symbolism, to the paramilitary uniforms of neo-Nazis, to the anti-Semitic chants--these are all designed to elicit a very specific reaction from their intended targets. We have 150 years of history showing hate groups committing violence and crimes (including murder) against minorities, whereas the same cannot be said of BLM, Antifa, university students, etc. So while I never condone unprovoked violence and condemn it from both sides in Charlottesville, there is clearly only one group of "bad guys" here.

Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 18th, 2017 10:33 AM

I'll tell you once you answer my question. Deal?

Mike Hanline  

Posted: August 18th, 2017 10:24 AM

And now I'm asking the question, Ken: Exactly where do you stand on the issue of white supremacy? You are either for it or against it, there is no in between.

Ramona Lopez  

Posted: August 18th, 2017 10:04 AM

Jason....I agree, violence is unacceptable regardless which side it comes from. Yes, Nazi's are despicable and horrible people. You are so blinded by your righteousness that you won't even open your eyes to the violence that comes from the extreme left. How did you react to the riots in Berkeley? How did you react when statues were removed by mobs? How do you react when Ferguson burns to the ground? How do you react when left wing protestors don't even allow someone with an opposing view speak? What did you think of the riots in Portland? Were you advocating for calm and peace then? Any prudent or reasonable person knows that Nazis are evil and Trump is a moron. I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the left. THAT'S IT!!!! Lots of people on this thread are only pointing out the hypocrisy and when they do you suddenly jump to the conclusion that they must support Trump because they criticize the left. Couldn't be further from the truth. "There is no blame to be placed on anyone but them" just proves my point. TWO sides were fighting in Virginia Jason. One had a permit to do so, supported by the ACLU and the other did not. Here is another article from the BBC that you should read. http://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/16/nbc-bbc-violent-left-wing-protesters-charlottesville/ The author clearly states he witnessed a LOT of violence from both sides. You should be more angry with mayor of Charlottesville for telling the police to stand down. Alas, it's much easier to blame the president. You are EXACTLY like the right wingers who blamed Obama for everything. Hypocrisy at its best!!!!!

Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 18th, 2017 9:38 AM

I asked the question. If you haven't heard anything from me, then you don't really know where my sympathies lie. Nice projection though.

Mike Hanline  

Posted: August 18th, 2017 9:25 AM

And yet for all of Ken's bluster and whataboutism, have yet to hear him denounce the white supremacists or the violence that they committed (including murder) in any of his posts even once. It's becoming rather clear where his sympathies lie.

Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 17th, 2017 10:50 PM

That's the point Jeffrey. Your team is the most violent and intolerant people on the planet. While I don't think your B.O. from your raised arm would be considered violent, it sure might be offensive. You r team has no respect for the rule of law. You sound like one of those anarchist types. Maybe you are too young to rementer when the supreme court ruled Nazis had a right to march in Skokie?

Jeffrey Smith  

Posted: August 17th, 2017 6:13 PM

It's certainly enlightening to see that the white supremacists and Nazis have someone to stand up for them in Oak Park. The "both sides are equally bad" argument is rubbish. Perhaps these angry souls have forgotten that American and the world once went to war to crush fascism and Nazism, and that last Saturday a Nazi killed a peaceful protestor in America in 2017. But we've been given fair warning that if Nazis want to march in Oak Park, at least some Oak Parkers will welcome them with with a raised arm.

Barbara Joan  

Posted: August 17th, 2017 6:01 PM

"people like them" And there you have it! Intolerance and criticism and judgement for having different views. Free speech is a civil right that must be protected.

Bill Dwyer  

Posted: August 17th, 2017 5:15 PM

Sure, Ken. Sure. You just hold that thought.

Jason Cohen  

Posted: August 17th, 2017 4:53 PM

@Ramona, you post that link as if it's going to prove your point but it doesn't say anything about the left being more violent than the right. All it says is that this magic AntiFa thing has more people interested since Trump was elected which doesn't take a genius to understand why that's the case. Let me say right away that any violence is unacceptable no matter what side it comes from. Let's try to focus on this situation though. Do you really expect people being told they they are filth and trash and subhuman not to react at all? Is it really the fault of those people that a man got into his car and ran them down? That argument is stupid and insulting. If people came into our community telling me that my children should die because they are Jewish I very well might react poorly. Why can't you Trump supporters just acknowledge that these right wing nazis are horrible people and what they do is inexcusable period. There's no blame to be placed on anyone but them. The fact that the leader of our country won't come out and say this is a travesty. Most Republican leaders have said this. His own daughter tweeted it.

Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 17th, 2017 4:25 PM

There was no other choice but Trump. The false equivalence would be Hillary and President in the same sentence. We got we we deserve, embrace the change we've been waiting for. Be assured that our pain is far less that it could have been.

Bill Dwyer  

Posted: August 17th, 2017 3:58 PM

Your intellect doesn't matter to people like Ken and Ramona, Mike. People like them are in the throes of a deepening defensive as they realize more and more that they supported the most unqualified president in this country's history, a man who is totally indifferent to the disgrace he's bringing to the White House, our country and the GOP. So they need "false equivalence" the way a junkie needs dope. Be gentle with them; try saying things like, "Well, he WAS a Democrat before the GOP nominated him, wasn't he?" That might help ease their pain.

Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 17th, 2017 2:10 PM

Exactly. Mike seems to think "ok for me, but bad for thee"

Ramona Lopez  

Posted: August 17th, 2017 1:52 PM

The left has more violent outbursts than the right. Portland, Berkeley, BLM, etc. and the list goes on. Here is an interesting article from the BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40930831

Mike Hanline  

Posted: August 17th, 2017 1:36 PM

LOL! Thanks, Ken but I aced AP History years ago in high school. I hardly need a lesson from someone who can't see the difference between neo-Nazis, Klansmen and other white supremacists who have a long history of domestic terrorism in this country and the counter-protesters who would challenge them. Also, the last time I checked, murder was committed by only one of the sides. That you even think this is a right vs. left issue at all says a lot about you as a person.

Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 17th, 2017 12:43 PM

It sounds like the snowflakes need a lesson about left or right and different types of government. https ://youtu.be/N4r0VUybeXY

Bill Dwyer  

Posted: August 17th, 2017 12:09 PM

Seems to me Ken, that the only "snowflakes" here are the psuedo-tough Nazi/Klan types who brag about carry a gun and working out to prepare to be violent, but blubber like whiny babies when they find out the police want to question them.

Barbara Joan  

Posted: August 17th, 2017 11:06 AM

Extremism breeds bullying and terrorists on both the left and right. The US. Constitution protects against such extremism and must be protected.

Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 17th, 2017 11:00 AM

So the liberal response to violence from the left is to dance around the subject, stick their fingers in their ears, and pretend it doesn't exist. Same old play from the same old playbook.

Mike Hanline  

Posted: August 17th, 2017 10:29 AM

Uh-oh. Ken called me a "snowflake." Clearly, he must have been the captain of his high school debate team...

Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 17th, 2017 10:11 AM

You probably are not familiar with the term because you would melt if you ventured out of your bubble.

Mike Hanline  

Posted: August 17th, 2017 10:02 AM

"Alt-left." That's a good one, Ken. Just because Trump said it, doesn't mean it's a thing. The term "alt-right" was coined by the white nationalists themselves in order to make their brand of hate and racism more palatable.

Bill Dwyer  

Posted: August 17th, 2017 9:43 AM

"Opposing views are suppressed in any space liberals control." Really, Barbara Joan? Then how is it I'm still able to read your "opposing views" in a liberal newspaper this morning?

Barbara Joan  

Posted: August 17th, 2017 9:31 AM

Extreme political agendas are dangerous, whether it be left or right. Denying there is an alt-left, as well as an alt-right is absurd. The alt-left is everything bad the left claims about the right. It is extreme and doesn't want compromise. They demonize and destroy anyone who doesn't share their views and have intruded into every aspect of our lives. They want to destroy patriotism and the U.S. Constitution.. Opposing views are suppressed in any space liberals control.

Jason Cohen  

Posted: August 17th, 2017 7:11 AM

@Ken, how violent was the vigil in Charlottesville last night? It's odd because that was all the horrible left leaning people who organized it and marched in it yet it was beautiful and peaceful. I am sure the neo nazis had a similar peaceful march somewhere to protest the murder of that innocent woman. I bet it's the medias fault we aren't seeing that march. There's also no such thing as the alt-left but you certainly have your Trump talking points down.

Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 16th, 2017 8:12 PM

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Ken Stucken  

Posted: August 16th, 2017 8:30 AM

What about the violence from the alt-left? Do you condemn that violence too, or is it ok in your book? You didn't seem to mention it so I'm wondering why you left it out. Well, not really wondering that hard.

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