Concealed handgun bill passes state senate, Harmon votes no

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By Anna Lothson

Staff Reporter

The Illinois Senate passed concealed handgun legislation Friday afternoon by a 45-12-1 margin, but state Sen. Don Harmon (D-39th), said he couldn't stomach voting yes for the controversial bill that will soon become law, regardless of what Governor Pat Quinn decides to do about it.

"In my view it is a little bit too much to swallow," Harmon said of the revised bill that will allow Illinois residents to carry concealed weapons. The legislative session officially adjourns tonight at midnight.

"It certainly is a little more palatable than [the previous version]," Harmon said, "[but] in my view it still prevents home rule communities from preventing concealed carry."

The revised proposal precludes towns like Oak Park from regulating handguns by requiring owners to register with the village, even though Oak Park and Chicago's assault weapons bans were upheld. They can, however, require reporting of lost and stolen guns. The bill also prohibits weapons on mass transit, a point debated among legislators.

One particular element Harmon hoped would be eliminated in the revised bill is permitting handguns in restaurants. Harmon wanted a clear proposal banning handguns in all restaurants, but the version passed Friday allows guns to be carried into restaurants with no more than 50 percent of their sales from alcohol. Harmon wanted the measure to prohibit guns from any establishment where alcohol can be consumed. Restaurant owners, however, still have the prerogative to place signs stating that no guns are allowed on the premises.

"The overreach on taking away power from local governments was too much for me to support," Harmon said of the overall bill.

Under the new legislation, which as of press time was not signed by the governor, concealed weapons would be banned from other sites, such as CTA and Metra buses and trains, casinos, government buildings, schools and stadiums. The Illinois Legislature was forced to pass a bill by June 9 because of a mandate from the federal appeals court that overruled Illinois' ban on concealed weapons in public.

The legislation passed prevents home-rule communities like Oak Park from enacting their own local ordinance regulating concealed handguns and ammunition for concealed handguns as covered by the Firearm Owner's Identification Act.

One change that has the potential to impact Oak Park, however, is this provision of House Bill 183, which "preempts home rule on the prohibition of possession or ownership of assault weapons unless the ordinance is enacted before, on, or within 10 days of the effective date of this Act and any amendments thereafter."

This allows Oak Park to maintain its regulations on assault weapons, which were previously enacted.

Harmon said the Illinois House has no choice but to concur with the senate's decision; he also said the bill was "fairly well negotiated" between the two bodies.

The concealed-carry bill allows a five-year permit, but it allows law enforcement to object to a permit application, which would force that applicant to appeal to a seven-person appointed board that will approve requests. Applicants must also complete 16 hours of training before getting a permit to carry.

Harmon said one positive element in the bill is that it will require lost and stolen weapons and the private sale of guns to be reported in real time. This means anyone wanting to buy or sell a gun would have to call the State Police to confirm that the buyer has a valid permit.

"That's a huge step in tracking down illegal guns," said Harmon, adding that he felt better about the revised bill than he did the initial House proposal, which passed last week. But he still worries "it will cause disruption" in the communities he represents.

Oak Park Police Chief Rick Tanksley told Wednesday Journal on Monday that he was concerned about how the new law impacts his officers' ability to conduct their regular duties. Oak Park's handgun ordinance continues to be reviewed, he said, and should go before the village board for updates soon in order to reconcile the local and state laws.

The concealed carry law will likely require training for his officers to remind them of the change. Tanksley said officers are always taught to be prepared for potential threats, but this law would call for additional awareness on the officers' part.

"That awareness will always be heightened. … Officers always have to take certain precautions," he said Monday. "It may just mean additional reminders to make sure [their] antennas are always up. They have to be aware that anyone can now be in possession of a handgun."

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Twinsonic  

Posted: June 5th, 2013 9:34 PM

Jim: Not in Oak Park, but it can happen. The town could have a cash crisis or hit with a natural disaster (tornado) and all first responders are occupied to assist the dead or injured not addressing looting, assaults, and property crimes. Chicago P.D. on the south side is have a 20 minute eta for priority one calls. In other words look at the Police as a auxiliary backup at best and non-responsive at worst. The Courts ruled as such and we have to live with it.

Heavens to Betsy  

Posted: June 5th, 2013 4:59 PM

Well, I believe the system is going to implode. Look at prisons, over populated. Look at psych wards/homes, closing down. Now we are responsible for all the maniacs roaming the streets looking for a victim to rob. I think theres going to be breakdown soon. I trade my dollars for silver and gold. Now, I may even take a firearms class.

Jim Coughlin from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: June 5th, 2013 12:25 AM

A question for Twinsonic. Did you really call 911 and have to wait hours for a OPPD officer to respond? I've heard that sometimes happens in major metros and rural communities but some of those departments deal with a high volume of reports and a limited number of personnel. I understand the dispatcher does try to assess the situation and prioritize accordingly. There are also those goofy stories about people who deliberately misuse the system and will call 911 when they are out of cigarettes or alcohol or are just lonely. One man was charged after placing more than 20,000 calls. He just wanted to talk. There was also a report about a Florida woman who called to complain that her local McDonald's was out of McNuggets.

Twinsonic  

Posted: June 4th, 2013 11:14 PM

Heavens to Betsy: Who's fault is it then? I have the answers here: the Mayor of Chicago, Cook County court system, State Attorney Anita Alvarez, and Cook County Jail - The lack of help from Washington D.C. ironically a fellow Chicagoan to step in and use Federal laws to stop gunrunning and criminality which Chicago is rated 98 out of 99 cities that the Federal Government have stepped in to help. 98 out of 99 cities for crying out loud. Go after them and get some recourse by not voting for them.

Twinsonic  

Posted: June 4th, 2013 11:01 PM

Heavens to Betsy: Arkansas does have a concealed carry with reciprocating concealed carry with other states like Florida. Hope this didn't burst your bubble.......again......

Heavens to Betsy from OP  

Posted: June 4th, 2013 10:46 PM

Listen at night, open your windows. Do you hear that crack bang? Those are gun shots in the distance and some poor soul is getting lit up like Wild BIll. The west side of Chicago isnt called the wild west for nothing. Its a war zone. Ask any OP police officer. Now, you want me to strap a hand canon on and act like Dirty Harry? For what? Theres too many crazies out there for me. Ill stay in my house and lock the doors, while you play cowboy fast draw. Lord have mercy child.

Twinsonic  

Posted: June 4th, 2013 10:40 PM

Heavens to Betsy: In other words, the Police can refuse service to you and me. You call 911 and the dispatcher could say "We are sent officers over to your place right away" and they do show up 2 hours later, or not a all, YOU HAVE NO RECOURSE - Period! The Police is to protect the community as a whole not the individuals. The police is there to uphold the law, catch criminals, and gather evidence. NOT TO STOP CRIME IN PROGRESS. Protect yourself period!

Twinsonic  

Posted: June 4th, 2013 10:31 PM

Big Gun: 67 dead juveniles under the age of 18, 2/3 are black or Hispanic, out of 508 homicides - ok? I think anyone who is willing to protect themselves with a handgun, which is a CIVIL RIGHT under the US Constitution and the Courts have upheld it. I don't believe in giving things away for free, you learn it, you earn it, and nobody can take it away from you. By the way, was there a shooting on the East side of Oak Park recently? Or robberies? Or Assaults?

Twinsonic  

Posted: June 4th, 2013 10:16 PM

Heavens to Betsy: Here is the answers: (1) NO with provisions. (2) YES (3) a. If you are in police custody (handcuffed, rights given, placed in a cell in police station. b. voluntarily or forced to go a mental health facility escorted by the police officers. c. witness protection d. bound or restrained in a gurney while cared for by ambulance crews. THAT'S IT! (4) YES - By the way the amount of taxes you pay does not change the dynamic, but the officers come to you as a courtesy period!

Big Gun, Small  

Posted: June 4th, 2013 9:59 PM

@Twinsonic - what do you know about the murder stats in Chicago and what relevance do they have in OP? Do you really think cc will somehow arm the innocents in inner city neighborhoods and give them a chance against the gangs? Are you going to fund legal arms and cc permits for the do-gooders in bad 'hoods? Please, at least choose relevant stats if we're going to debate. Get your permit, carry your gun and move on. It won't make me feel safer, but this is all about your right to a big...

Heavens to Betsy from OP  

Posted: June 4th, 2013 9:36 PM

OP residents should take a self defese courses and invest in precious metals like gold/platinum to avoid the currency meltdown coming soon. The monetary system has failed, is antiquated and corrupted by international bankers. These are the true criminals. Residents are frustrated and want to arm themselves against eachother. This may sound insane but look it up. The entire system has failed, now they want to arm us so we blast eachother like Tombstone. We will blast eachother like Clint Eastwood

Heavens to Betsy from Oak Park  

Posted: June 4th, 2013 9:30 PM

Furtermore, the economy is cracking apart, as the dollar turns into worthless paper due to the monetary system established in 1913, more crime will happen. How will more revolvers improve this catastrophic situation? Residents need to invest in home alarms connected to OPPD. The west side is a war zone and young gang recruits travel to OP for "missions" or jobs for initiation. A young man once attacked me and I called the OPPD. I now stay inside my home on Marion st with triple locked doors.

Heavens to Betsy  

Posted: June 4th, 2013 9:19 PM

Dearest twinsonic, child the police swore an oath to protect us. Our prodigious in "size" tax bills pay for officer friendly to respond promplty. Folks whom dont rely on the police have revolvers and act like rogue cowboys back in Tombstone. What's next duals on Marion st? Jesse James and the Dalton gang are an ideal example. Wyatt Earp knew revolvers were dangerous and he stood firm with firearms. Now, our peaceful village will be armed by bandits and the police will become overwhelmed.

Twinsonic  

Posted: June 4th, 2013 8:54 PM

Heavens to Betsy: Here a quiz: 1.Does the Police have a constitutional duty to protect individuals like you and me? 2. Can the Police refuse service to you? 3. If the Police have a constitutional duty to protect, what is the criteria and list them. 4. If the Police respond to your call for assistance, and show up 2 hours later, or a day later, have they done their constitutional duty? I will give the answers later.......

Heavens to Betsy  

Posted: June 4th, 2013 5:48 PM

Thatcher Woods is named after David Thatcher an arms and ammo dealer, whom was one of the first residents in the oprf area. They were cowboys and soldiers from the civil war shooting up the area with carried revolvers and shotguns. Than there was a ban and for over 130 years, there has been peace and kindness. Now the rogue cowboys will return with blasting revolvers and shotguns. Were not moving to florida, were moving to Arkansas now to avoid more firearms, especailly revolvers.

joe from south oak park  

Posted: June 4th, 2013 8:08 AM

chill out folks, all this internet vitriol for nothing more than a few bating comments. It's silly really.

Twinsonic  

Posted: June 3rd, 2013 10:59 PM

Heavens to Betsy: NEWS ALERT!!!: Florida is the first state to legalize concealed carry back in 1986 - plus a Republican governor, no income tax and good weather, you will do just fine down there. Also just to let you know, Florida recognizes over 27-30 concealed carry licenses from other states - you will be more safe down south than up here. Enjoy your trip!!!! Aren't you glad I informed you about this? Oh, by the way getting a Concealed Carry License is easy in Florida than here.

Twinsonic  

Posted: June 3rd, 2013 10:48 PM

Big Gun - The "shot" in the groin is a kick or a punch - talking about taking it literally. I don't have any reason to prove you and your kind that I was right. PERIOD. Read Carefully: The 7th Court of Appeals have said to Chicago and Oak Park and the Atty General that have NOT MET THAT STANDARD about the most restrictive gun lawsin the U.S. saving lives - 508 homicides in Chicago last year. Concealed Carry works in other states and will work here period. Nice Try!

Twinsonic  

Posted: June 3rd, 2013 10:39 PM

Big Gun Small.....The "Shot on the groin" is a kick in the groin, or a punch, not using a gun - talking about a groin shot literally - I don't have to prove you and others wrong - The 7th Court of Appeals Lead Judge Posner said that the anti gun laws weren't working and did not meet the standard that was measured with - witness the 508 homicides last year in Chicago while chewing out the Atty General of the State of Illinois. That would be Little Lisa Madiagan.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: June 3rd, 2013 9:42 PM

@HTBFOP Do you have any idea how stupid your comments sound? You are running off at the mouth without any idea what the facts are and proving that your shrill whiney diatribe is the best you can do. There are reasonable ideas on both sides of this issue and you are embarrassing both sides. My understanding is that Florida isn't the Valhalla you seem to believe. Wasn't there a toll road sniper a couple years ago?

Heavens to Betsy from Oak Park marion st  

Posted: June 3rd, 2013 8:42 PM

After many years of peace and tranquility, Oak Park will evolve into Tombstone. The concealed carry turns men into cowboys and thats terrifying. Billy the Kid, Wyatt Earp, John Hardin, Wild Bill are just a few examples of what becomes of man with a loaded revolver. Next theyll have casinos and brothels. Thankfuly, were leaving for miami.

New2OP  

Posted: June 3rd, 2013 4:39 PM

I'm thinking Betsy's poll is a troll. In case it is not, you should no Betsy that Florida has a much more liberal concealed carry law than Illinois.

Heavens to Betsy from oak park  

Posted: June 3rd, 2013 4:34 PM

We just found out this bill has passed. My husband and I are moving to Florida, away from concealed carry ville Chicago. After living in Oak Park for 20 years, this is the final draw. Florida is much safer and were by the beach in Miami. Good grief

So Scared from Oak Park  

Posted: June 3rd, 2013 9:40 AM

Relax. Concealed carry has been in almost every other state for quite some time. You will never know the difference. Quit the ridiculous handwringing and get back to your lives.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: June 2nd, 2013 11:50 PM

@ JC - Sure ! he can have the mrs kravitz - nosey neighbor loving cup. And the right to say " i told you so!"

Jim Coughlin from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: June 2nd, 2013 11:36 PM

Is there a prize if Big Gun is available to find a couple of examples?

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: June 2nd, 2013 11:19 PM

@big Gun - here is a challenge for you. One year after CCPs are legal find me a couple examples of how your life has changed for the worse. I will bet that this furor is a tempest in a teapot. Remember the predictions about the gun shop on Roosevelt Road? Not one word in the papers about the bad element you guys predicted. Most of us who shoot or hunt or defend our homes just want to be left alone - we are not the problem.

Big Gun, Small...  

Posted: June 2nd, 2013 10:28 PM

Twinsonic, getting slapped for a smart comment is exactly what I'd expect. Getting shot for a smart comment is exactly what I'd fear. Take your victory with some class, stop gloating a go fill out your application. Your battle is won but those who don't support cc aren't going to be swayed by your comments. Carry your gun and realize most in this community view you as an unwelcome menace even if the law is now on your side. The burden is now on you to prove your opponents wrong.

Twinsonic  

Posted: June 2nd, 2013 3:16 PM

Rep. Harmon: Why did you not tell the voters that the Police only protect the community as a whole and does not protect individuals. That the onus of protection lies with the individual? Warren vs. D.C. 1983. Or other court orders that ruled against police protection against individuals like Silver vs. Minneapolis 1970., Keane vs. City of Chicago 1968 for example. Integrity is not Mr. Harmon's forte but to pander down to voters who are not as informed.

Twinsonic  

Posted: June 2nd, 2013 2:48 PM

Hey Big Gun, Small....Just to you let you know, more women now purchase more guns than any demographic, so using that line in front of a lady will have your face slapped or a nasty shot in the groin....pick your lines very carefully........

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: June 2nd, 2013 7:17 AM

It is a shame we cannot look back over the last 10 years and discover how many patrons, of any business, were carrying firearms. Then look at the future 10 years and see how many more there are. My bet would be the number stays about constant. The difference would be the matter of legality and the ability of a legally armed customer willing to take action. A retired OP police officer is troubled over his obligation to get involved because he is permitted concealed carry. A whole other conversation - but relevant. If you have a CCP are you bound to step in to assist someone who needs help. I guess - morally - yes - Legally - No Way!

Jim Coughlin from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: June 1st, 2013 11:45 PM

You're right about signs, OPRez. I certainly don't look forward to now seeing "No Concealed Weapons" or "CCW Welcome" placards plastered in every store window. The fact is, people are going to need to know every business's policy. I wonder if the Village board is going to have take up the issue regarding size, placement and enforcement. Whatever is decided; it's definitely going to have an immediate impact on our local and every community's commercial districts. Most likely corporate policy is going dictate how franchises react. We'll have to see if McDonald's, KFC, 7-11,Old Navy, Lake Theater, Jewel,Dominick's,Apple, T-Mobile, Radio Shack,Claire's,etc.,. and all the local businesses are actually willing to risk the ire of those who promise an economic boycott if a concealed weapon is not permitted to be carried inside those establishments. What's going to be the stance at Unity Temple, Oak Park Visitors' Center and the FLW Home & Studio? Public perception and acceptance will be interesting to follow.

Big Gun, Small...  

Posted: June 1st, 2013 9:37 PM

Is that a snub-nose revolver in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

OPRez  

Posted: June 1st, 2013 9:13 PM

@Ray..I don't know if you own a firearm or not (it is none of my business) but I think that everyone who does own a gun should apply for a CCP--- regardless of whether they plan to carry or not. In my view, IL has still has a lot of very strict laws, and a CCP adds an additional layer of legal protection.

OPRez  

Posted: June 1st, 2013 9:09 PM

@Jim...yes, that is the decision each business will have to make..to post or not to post. Like I said, I think many will, but then remove them. I think the important thing is that each business has a CHOICE. As far as public places go, I hope OP does not post big "NO GUNS" signs like they tried in Seattle. What they found was that such signs actually made people feel LESS safe.

Jim Coughlin from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: June 1st, 2013 7:41 PM

@OpRez. I am trying to learn more about the issue and thank Ray Simpson for providing information detailing the process for obtaining a concealed weapon permit. My original comment focused on how local restaurants will respond to the new law. It didn't occur to me that all Oak Park businesses may need to post a sign detailing their policy regarding concealed weapons. We've already learned of one individual's plan to not patronize any establishment with a "no guns allowed" policy. In my neighborhood,there are dozens of businesses that are going to have make a tough decision. Besides the eateries, the Harrison Street Arts District is also home to Val's, two gas stations, an animal hospital, ballet studio, theater, resale shop,dry cleaners and artists' studios. I assume that without a posted sign, customers will be welcome to carry a handgun.

New@gmail.com  

Posted: June 1st, 2013 6:13 PM

I find Senator Harmon's total lack of faith in his own constituents alarming.

opREZ  

Posted: June 1st, 2013 6:09 PM

Sorry joe, I meant that for jim

joe from south oak park  

Posted: June 1st, 2013 5:55 PM

I think you misunderstood me OpRez. the cards will be for businesses prohibiting carry. I also agree that in time many of the businesses that originally put up signs will take them down in time. I'm originally from Arizona where open carry was legal for most anyone and you only needed a permit to conceal. It really wasn't a big deal at all.

joe from south oak park  

Posted: June 1st, 2013 5:26 PM

Ms. Lothson you may want to check the language in the bills passed by the house and senate. The new carry bill does not effect long guns. It only effects handguns in that laws concerning them are in the domain of the state and not the individual municipality. Thus, it doesn't touch oak park's awb. So the Winchester model 92 that John Wayne carried in 'The Searchers' is just as much of an assault weapon as it was before if this bill becomes law.

OpRez  

Posted: June 1st, 2013 5:25 PM

@joe.....again,look at other states. What will happen is that lots of places will put up "no guns" signs. Then, after a few get held up and word gets around, they will quietly take down the signs. Once more... This is not the first state to go thru this,! Just take a moment and learn about the issue.

joe from south oak park  

Posted: June 1st, 2013 5:02 PM

Jim - I already have some "no guns no money" business cards just for the businesses that post no gun signs. I will respect the law and the wishes of the owner but I also want the business owner to know that I will not patronize such an establishment. CCW isn't for everyone. Very few people will get a license and even fewer will carry on a daily basis. A couple years from now when the novelty wears off there will be fewer yet. But the thugs have been carrying illegally all along.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: June 1st, 2013 4:47 PM

Calm down everyone! The history from every other state in the union says you are blowing smoke. Getting a CCP isn't as easy as you claim and it requires the expanded background check you all pine for, as well as police approval and a bunch of other stuff. Very few citizens apply for the permit, most have a legitimate reason. I have no intention of applying for a CCP - BUT - I don't want you hand wringers denying me my constitutional rights.

Jim Coughlin from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: June 1st, 2013 3:50 PM

Boy, that sounds awful. Local restaurant owners who don't allow guns to be carried in to their establishments will be viewed as easy targets and their patrons dine at significant risk. I guess fully armed cooks and wait staff might prove to be an effective deterent or we could all just order home delivery.

Twinsonic  

Posted: June 1st, 2013 2:41 PM

Jim, the short answer is yes. But there is a repercussion - the stores and restaurants that ban guns in their establishments by posting a sign also are a possible target for burglary, robbery, and armed robbery - since we live next to the West side of Chicago, criminals will want to know who is willing to fight back or not. Criminals are not stupid.

Twinsonic  

Posted: June 1st, 2013 2:33 PM

Mr. Saltzman - the blood of children here in Chicago that you sprouted is the result of Cook County court system and St. Atty Anita Alvarez - Lack of prosecutions, low bonds and librial use of probation. Chicago PD have a 25% homicide clearance rate and going down fast - Here's a hint: You probably VOTED these individuals in. You want a lower homicide rate for children, then VOTE ACCORDINGLY. When you vote for these folks you get what you get. PERIOD.

Jim Coughlin from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: June 1st, 2013 2:13 PM

Charlie is looking forward to walking through Oak Park with a weapon and finally feeling safe. I'm looking foward to seeing which Oak Park restaurants will display a sign that states, "No guns allowed". Will gun rights advocates refuse to enter those establishments if they are not allowed to be packing heat and instead only dine in businesses that welcome armed and loaded customers?

Chicago Charlie from Chicago  

Posted: June 1st, 2013 1:32 PM

I look forward to finally walking through Oak Park and feeling safe with my handgun. Previously, Oak Park and Harmon only allowed criminals to carry guns. Now the law abiding citizens can defend themselves. The Constitution wins (sort of, the bill is still too restrictive, but that can be fixed over time). See you soon!

OPRez  

Posted: June 1st, 2013 1:05 PM

Sen. Harmon, the courts ruled that a ban on concealed carry is unconstitutional. OP would not be allowed to ban it no matter what the GA did. Second, I am so disappointing that you and other legislators have refused to look at the evidence from other states. Concealed carry, even in restaurants has not resulted in more shootings. I am afraid you are out of touch on this issue.

Greg from Oak Park  

Posted: May 31st, 2013 8:09 PM

Of course it doesnt allow Oak Park to restrict concealed carry. The courts have ruled cities do NOT have the right to prohibit concealed carry.

nineteeneleven from moab  

Posted: May 31st, 2013 7:49 PM

Research the statistics Peter Saltzman from OP. It's through the FBI, not the NRA. If all guns were gone, violence would still be here. Bats, Rocks, anything can be used to harm another human. Furthermore, just because you own a firearm does NOT define an individual as one whom will be violent. Your logic is flawed. BTW I loved living in OP, but some residents lived in fantasy land. Have a nice weekend!

John  

Posted: May 31st, 2013 6:51 PM

Thanks to NRA contract lobbyist Todd Vandermyde for providing the unlimited privacy waiver so the government can probe our bank accounts, tax returns and medical records to get a carry license. Chris Cox and Chuck Cunningham at NRA/ILA can give Todd a raise for betraying the people he is supposed to represent. Vandermyde must have learned some great lobbying techniques from William Dugan at the Intl. Union of Operating Engineers local 150 before Dugan was busted by the US attorney in 2010.

Scott from Oak Park  

Posted: May 31st, 2013 6:35 PM

When people talk of kids all the time I laugh because they are also beating them and do we take the bat or the knife or the stick. No we do not we also do not take box openers. THEY all take more lives than the gun has. Please knowledge yourself on FBI crime stats. Making gun laws for law abiding citizens are for that law abiding citizens, who do not break the law or do damage. Criminals care less about any laws. Lets all wake up and smell reality once in Oak Pa

Peter Saltzman from Oak Park  

Posted: May 31st, 2013 6:07 PM

So it's good for the economy, Mr. Utah MOab? That is what this is ultimately about...munitions manufacturers making money of the deaths of countless kids. Pathetic.

nineteeneleven from utah moab  

Posted: May 31st, 2013 5:56 PM

I cc everyday whether going to work or while I drive around the desert off roading in my Jeep with 37 inch tires. Most folks out here don't consider cc a big deal. It's good for the state and brings in a ton of money. Everyone gets finger printed and must pass the fbi background check. Lighten up a bit Oak Park and Chicago. Your logic is flawed.

Leonard Grossman from River Forest, Illinois  

Posted: May 31st, 2013 5:46 PM

Thank you Joe Harmon for your integrity.

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