Man beaten with aluminum bat over parking spot in Oak Park

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By Jean Lotus

Forest Park Review Editor

Oak Park police arrested an Elmwood Park couple who allegedly beat a man with fists and an aluminum bat over a parking space around 11 a.m. in the 200 block of Marion Street on May 28.

According to police, the victim, a 28-year-old male Lyons resident reportedly parked his vehicle in a spot that was being saved by Krystal Ocegueda, 23, who told police she was holding the spot for her boyfriend, Fabian Torres, 23.

When the victim parked in the space, an argument ensued in which Ocegueda allegedly struck the victim with her fists while Torres allegedly struck the victim in the head with an aluminum baseball bat. The victim was taken to Rush Oak Park Hospital and Ocegueda and Torres, of the 2300 block of N. 74th St., were charged with aggravated battery and are being held for bond hearings.

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Fail  

Posted: June 3rd, 2013 6:00 AM

surprised no oak park resident's jumped in to help the victim? Krystal Ocegueda aka mrs. torres, has a myspace (she is old school for being so young) with pictures of her holding her newborn child. unwed young mother and the father of the child beating another person...what do you think they do if the baby makes a stinky diaper or spills milk?

joe from south oak park  

Posted: June 2nd, 2013 7:55 AM

I agree new2op. At the point that someone starts swinging a bat at your head it is no longer an argument about dibs and a parking space. At that moment it becomes a fight about being able to go home and see your loved ones that night instead of ending up in an ICU or dead. I think that folks can agree with that statement regardless of your stance on ccw.

New2OP  

Posted: June 1st, 2013 11:01 PM

First thing the victim should have done is try to run, if that was not possible, and he was armed, he would have been justified to draw his weapon. In this situation, I don't think it would have escalated the violence, but stopped it in its tracks.

4 Freedom  

Posted: June 1st, 2013 2:16 PM

@JBM don't forget dog toilet at 5PM.

Rez  

Posted: May 31st, 2013 11:44 PM

Gail, please tell us how being tolerant of shootings, beatings, armed robberies etc... Is the best way to solve the crime problem we have in Oak Park.

to cc or not to cc thats is the question  

Posted: May 31st, 2013 3:42 PM

On daily walks/runs with my baby and doggy named wolfy, automobiles drive aggresively through stops signs, speeding down OP streets w/out a care in the world. According to the Il state Police, around 400 automobile deaths this year in IL. Assualt w/deadly weapons are rising. A car is a deadly weapon, more powerful than a gun. A bat is just as deadly as a gun when targeting the cranium. OP residents need to wake up and stop being so naive. Have you forgotten the 5' tall Irish girl who was beat?

joe from south oak park  

Posted: May 31st, 2013 2:07 PM

+1 to what JBM said. I could not agree more.

John Butch Murtagh from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: May 31st, 2013 12:43 PM

Slapping someone in the head is not a liberal or conservative action. It is also not a white, black or brown action. Dibs exist in a village that is more than fair in sharing space, but Non-Dibbing is not a crime or a need for retaliation. Baseball bats are just as dangerous as guns when used in rage. Oak Park has to consider the techniques used by major cities to reduce crime. Successful law enforcement starts from the bottom (littering, speeding, etc.) not from the top (assault, battery, murder, etc.) Our community is a social justice haven. We do not question the presence of any person during the day or at night. As a result, we have a difficult time sorting out the good guys from the bad guys. In my 13 years of living in Oak Park, I have seen significant increases in littering, speeding, dangerous driving with cars, trucks, and bikes. Residents outside downtown fear crossing streets because we are now a village where drivers rarely give a pedestrian a break. Our lawns become trash cans every day at 3PM. Perhaps it is time to begin enforcing nuisance issues to let people living or visiting that Oak Park know that while it is a village of respect for others, it is also a village that demands respectful use of its space.

sheesh  

Posted: May 31st, 2013 12:26 PM

The CC issue is moot. If you're going to shoot someone over a parking spot, you're probably not going to bother to take the classes and get the permit. Law abiding citizens will be the ones with CC permits....JUST LIKE IN EVERY OTHER SINGLE STATE!

Uncommon Sense  

Posted: May 31st, 2013 12:13 PM

The beauty of concealed carry is that it makes people think twice about playing tough guy with strangers. What the gun grabbers don't get is that CC works because you don't know who might be armed. It is the possibility of catching a hot one that keeps people in line.

sad sad op  

Posted: May 31st, 2013 12:06 PM

OakParker...you beat me to it. These people are more concerned that the offender MAY HAVE shot the victim IF he had a gun on him than they are about the possibility the victim MAY HAVE NOT been hit IN THE HEAD with a BASEBALL BAT had he had a gun on him. How is it MORE violence if the victim shot a guy trying to attack him with a bat? Sounds like a gunshot wound to an offender and an injury free victim to me. Take away one injury add another. Balances out when the good guy isn't injured.

Magpie-eye  

Posted: May 31st, 2013 11:44 AM

I truly cannot believe that many commenters are making light of the use of a baseball bat to deliver 'street justice' to the individual who parked his vehicle in a psychically 'reserved' spot. Have you or anyone you loved ever lived with the ramifications of a head injury? It changes personalities and limits physical capacities for a lifetime. There should be no tolerance for this type of assault. Very street.

Jeff Schroeder from Oak Park  

Posted: May 31st, 2013 9:11 AM

I think we are asking the wrong questions (guns or not, etc.) To me, this points once again to parking scarcity in a retail area in our village.

Tired of Taxes from Oak Park  

Posted: May 31st, 2013 9:07 AM

Apparently the newly improved did not produce the retail feel good effect we had hoped for.

Where  

Posted: May 31st, 2013 8:39 AM

Mike, If the aggressor had a gun instead of a bat, the victim would have probably been shot. I am not sure if the victim had a gun if he would/could have defended himself. I can see it now.....every one brandishing their weapons "just in case"... Ridiculous.

Mike from Oak Park  

Posted: May 31st, 2013 8:04 AM

First, there is no "dibbs" rule. Second, useing a firearm to protect yourself from a bat beating is justified. A firearm is a tool, I beat if you where getting beaten you would want someone with a firearm to stop it. tolerance want stop a beating, being toleranet of criminal just makes it worse.

OP  

Posted: May 31st, 2013 5:53 AM

Oakparker: Wow so now we are blaming the victim for getting his head bashed by a bat.

OakParker from Oak Park  

Posted: May 31st, 2013 2:42 AM

Found it interesting that no one commented on the fact that the attackers could have had a concealed gun and could have shot the victim instead of using a baseball bat. Also noticed that no one commented on the victim's choice to take the parking spot. Not a reason to get hit with a baseball bat, but the victim had to know it would cause tempers to flare,especially in Oak Park where the Village likes to make parking miserable.

Portia from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 11:01 PM

To all who want to defend themselves by punching, kicking, hitting with weapons, shooting etc. Self defense is using enough argument or force to stop the force being used against you and that is all. It is not revenge. It is not justice. It is only stopping the attack on yourself. The parking space controversy wasn't violent when the man parked his car there. No self defense was warranted. These kinds of disputes should be solved by calling the police and using the judicial system not violence.

Gail Moran from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 10:36 PM

Liberal Washing: I am sorry to say, but I believe that your view is part of the problem - it only leads to escalation of violence, stereotyping, and hate. Tolerance will take us further.

Liberal washing  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 10:33 PM

Furthermore, people are brain washed into feeling guilty over being successful or things that happened long ago, which had nothing to do with us. I am tired of these low life gangstas treading on freedom, innocent tax payers and tired of listening to you liberal nut jobs blame anyone whom wants real change through assertive actions. The gangs and thugs do not like you, hello, is there anyone reason in your brain? Peace to you all, however.

Liberal washing  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 10:28 PM

Statistically speaking, the majority of the country has concealed carry, how/why is Oak Park different? I see bad souls everyday riding home on the green line from Chicago at midnight, I work afternoon shift. Why cant I defend myself? Iv'e seen people attacked on the green line, robbed and beaten for a phone. Ive seen violence consistantly and all the victims did not defend themselves, they submitted and were violated. I will NOT be a victim and the people of Oak Park need to toughen up.

Gail Moran from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 10:07 PM

OP Resident #123 : Did you know the biggest drug drop is in River Forest? I treasure and respect my community - we do the best we can but no community is immune from crime and, frankly, I think our police department does an excellent job.

OP Resident #123  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 9:42 PM

Right, Gail. It would be a real shame if a life is senselessly ended before this community acknowledges and deals with the growing crime problem. Are you proud that there's heroin being sold across the street from Village Hall at McDonalds? Why will no one address this issue? As stated, I don't support conceal carry but I do support the Village pulling its head out of the sand and dealing with crime before it hits the headlines.

Gail Moran from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 8:31 PM

Soon you will see breaking news about a shooting in Oak Park. Then you can tell me how concealed carry, which is what he/they were doing, would have prevented it. One was living in Oak Park.

OP Resident #123  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 8:19 PM

@Mtrotter - did the Oak Park you remember have an open heroin market along Madison? How about the gang murder capital just over the border in Austin? Just wondering. I love the nostalgia and respect where we've come from, but those good old days are sadly long gone. I doubt concealed carry is the answer but neither is just accepting absurd random violence. Criminals need to know they are not welcome in our Village.

Car Parker  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 8:11 PM

Under the 'dibs" rule, the young lady and her boyfriend were entitled to the space. she claimed it. The driver should have let her have it instead of pushing her out of the way with his car and taking the space. If he had been more courteous he would not have ended up in the hospital.

MR from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 6:19 PM

In answer to an earlier question of North vs South Marion-according to the police web site map, the incident happened on our lovely brick block between Lake and North Blvd.

Hahahaha  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 6:08 PM

Violet, I am so glad you said that about the last name and ethnicity. I was going to say it but thought it might not be PC. I had a good laugh.

Violet Aura  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 6:02 PM

Elmwood Park (ober by dare) continues to keep it classy!

Violet Aura  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 6:00 PM

Um...D...You really couldn't tell what ethnicity a last name like Torres is? And although I am always clamoring for details, they are NOT loose perps so it's immaterial what they look like since they've been nabbed and their arses are in the hoosegaw.

joe from south oak park  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 5:53 PM

Where- Punching someone is a class A misdemeanor. If you are on the receiving end of a punch can defend yourself but not to the point of intending or being likely to cause great bodily harm or death.

joe from south oak park  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 5:46 PM

Where- If someone attacks another person on the street with a baseball bat, that is battery with a deadly weapon which is a class 3 felony 720 ILCS 5/12?'4. Under the justifiable use of force statute in Illinois (720 ILCS 5/7-1) a person can use enough force to stop an attack up to and including deadly force to prevent great bodily harm to yourself, another or to stop a forcible felony. The aggressor also cannot claim self defense under 5/7-4 of the same statute.

Ban Baseball from Central Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 5:43 PM

We should ban baseball. I am tired of criminals carrying around bats and threatening our citizens.

Mtrotter from formerOak Parker  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 5:38 PM

p.s. I think most of the comments on this thread were right on about NOT escalating the potential violence with guns. That's the Oak Park I remember. Oak Park used to be dry, too. The Austin neighborhood parted ways with Oak Park on that issue so many many years ago. Keep your heads, Oak Parkers. It's so worth it.

joe from south oak park  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 5:28 PM

D- It's this papers policy to not report race. I disagree with the policy but it isn't my paper. the Oak Park Patch crime blotter does not censor out race with crime reports.

Mtrotter from formerOak Parker  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 5:24 PM

A more appropriate headline may have been, "Young couple from Elmwood Park beat a Lyons visitor with fists and baseball bat over a parking space". Let's identify and embarrass the perps and where they come from, not besmirch the welcoming nature of Oak Park. The fact that it happened anywhere civilized is sad. This kind of anger and ill-bred stupidity is too common, and yet more common elsewhere where it's allowed to breed or condoned with ill-advised commentary.

D  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 4:57 PM

It would be nice if in the police blotters and reports, to include the race of an alleged perp. Are we too PC to give a full description including race? This is really ridiculous & the reports are complete w/o a full description.

LiquidEvil from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 4:47 PM

I'm all for the 2nd amendment, but if facing jail time doesn't deter someone from assaulting someone else, then conceal carry won't either. Irrational people don't act rationally.

Where  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 4:43 PM

If someone punches another person in the face and that person has a gun, s/he will pull out said gun and shoot the other person. If both people have guns, then one person will probably be dead. No win for anybody. Guns never prevent violence.

Valerie from Forest Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 4:38 PM

Dead thugs? Over a parking space? No one wants to see a fight over parking but if you have moved to approved killings over a parking space then you have no soul.

muriel from schnierow  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 4:36 PM

yes this is rock bottom. We need to study these scumbags and see how they got that way. i will not buy, carry, or shoot a gun. Mace might be OK.i have the right to safety under the 14th amendment.

Really?  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 4:33 PM

Does anyone realize that the people who commit crimes in Oak Park do not live in Oak Park? I mean, sometimes they are but majority of the time they are from anywhere but Oak Park. Commit crimes in your own communities and please stop making Oak Park look bad. Thank you.

Auntie Rae Rae from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 4:31 PM

Just wait until any idiot can carry a concealed weapon...If the victim had had a gun and chosen to defend himself with it, would he have been within his rights?

Feel Lucky, Punk?  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 4:26 PM

I don't have a horse in the "concealed" race, but if concealed clears this kind of trash off of our streets then I'm all for it. Just hope the NRA and gun manufacturers are planning to foot the bill for the lawsuits that will arise when these victims start defending themselves. That burden doesn't belong on the taxpayer's dime. A couple of dead thugs doesn't cost me any sleep. Dead criminals are better than dead victims.

Bunky from McKinney  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 4:24 PM

I guess now Bam Bam will want to ban base ball bats

To Where:  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 4:24 PM

I disagree. If conceal carry is allowed, might make the person think twice about throwing the first punch.

Not Necessary  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 4:21 PM

They can reserve a parking space with a chair or another object.

Where  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 4:04 PM

Hes correct. Guns in these situations will only lead to more violence, not less.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 3:59 PM

@Reality - there you go - wringing your hands about something you are absolutely ignorant about. You paint a whole sector of our population as "Nuts" without proof or anything but a hatred for those who view the world differently than you. Your attitude frightens me far more than a guy who chooses to defend himself.

GizmoDog  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 3:43 PM

I hope that the victim recovers soon. I guess the offenders were calling "dibbs" on the parking space.

Where  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 3:36 PM

200 N or 200 S?

Reality Check  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 3:25 PM

Soon as we have conceal carry, we can count on these incidents to result in deaths rather than mere beatings. Thanks gun nuts!

Residence   

Posted: May 30th, 2013 3:17 PM

I'd like to see the study of criminal activity in oak park, compared to the crime of people who actually LIVE here, vs people who 'visit' and CREATE the crime.

Mike from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 3:17 PM

WOW...this poor kid was just parking his car and could have been killed by those two. Its sad this man didn't have the right to defend himself yet, last time I checked a bat is a deadly weapon. CCW time.

Bridgett from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 3:12 PM

CC, the offenders are not from Oak Park. What are we gonna do? Build a wall around the community, to keep out the "riff raff?" Not.

CC from Not Oak Park Anymore  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 3:09 PM

I am so glad I moved from OP. It gets more & more violent everyday.

i give up  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 3:09 PM

Krystal and Fabian are wonderful role models, clearly... Boy, do I worry for our society, my kids, when someone thinks that is a viable option/solution to a problem such as "parking." Do any of these people who do this kind of stuff have jobs? Who, at 23 yrs of age thinks that the solution to this is getting in a fight, including hitting with a baseball bat. Before anyone answers, that was a rehtorical question. I will end with, WE ARE DOOMED!

Done from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 3:04 PM

We have now hit rock bottom.

Dave from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 2:36 PM

Parking in Oak Park isn't really that hard. People who think it is should get out to the city every once-in-a-while. Sheesh.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 2:34 PM

Geezzz would it have been better if it was a hickory Louisville Slugger? Does an aluminum bat fall under the village assault weapons ban?

Keep it classy  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 1:55 PM

Nice, making America and its residents more proud every day. Shocked their wasn't a kid (or kids) in the car to witness and see what upstanding citizens Mom and Dad are....

Calm Down, People!  

Posted: May 30th, 2013 1:39 PM

I know parking in Oak Park is hard, but there's no reason to fight about it!

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