We're lucky to have Sen. Dick Durbin and staff

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Frank Vozak

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I was very taken aback by the letter offering harsh criticism of U.S. Senator Dick Durbin and the manner in which he deals with requests for constituent services. The writer spoke of repeated unanswered calls and letters and a belief that April 15 was a fine time to show a lack of caring for the people of the state of Illinois. [Durbin and Kirk don't answer their phones, Viewpoints, April 11].

My experience has been the total opposite. In my social work position, I have helped clients contact the Senator's staff to seek help when the federal government seemed to turn its back on them. I can tell you that Sen. Durbin's staff literally prevented the foreclosure of an Iraq combat vet's home by intervening with the Social Security Administration to release improperly held funds so the vet could pay his mortgage. I can tell you that Sen. Durbin's Chicago office staff has repeatedly intervened to ensure due process in benefits adjudication for numerous clients of mine. And I can tell you that the Senator's staff was able to break an INS logjam to allow an overseas cousin to attend a family wedding (INS wanted a year and a half to process a one-week tourist visa; such processing would have yielded a visa a year after the wedding).

Has the Senator's office ever flubbed up or made mistakes? Sure, but don't we all? A follow-up phone call or a resubmission of the Federal Privacy Act Release Form that must be completed if any citizen requests the aid of any government official is usually enough to get things back on track. In fact, on one occasion the very kind young woman who answers the phone in the Chicago office suggested that my client do just that if he did not get a response after two weeks.

I will not comment on my communication with other federal officials because some of them have not been so successful. But I can tell you that my personal and professional contacts with Sen. Durbin's Chicago office staff has led to the breaking down of many barriers that some appointed and career federal officials seemed to think was an acceptable way to treat a taxpaying U.S. citizen.

I believe that when credit is due, it should be given. And as a U.S. citizen (and voter) living in Illinois, I am truly grateful that we have Dick Durbin and a staff who will stand up for us (even if we have to be understanding if they are unable to attend to our request at the exact time we make it).

Frank Vozak is an Oak Park resident and a federal employee in the social services. He rates politicians and chooses who to vote for based on the consonance of their stands with his and their willingness to stand up for the individual citizen.

 

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Ed Schultz from A Padded Room  

Posted: June 10th, 2012 11:52 PM

Scott Walker Victory = Great News For Barack.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: June 8th, 2012 1:28 PM

Jim: telephoned office today Fri 8 Jun left a message with Ira,no last name (this is Chicago) and I am waiting for a response.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: June 8th, 2012 1:19 PM

Jim: I went to a town hall meeting at the village hall in OP. Danny Davis was speaking and he stated out loud he does not pay into Social Security. The challenge now is to find out whats correct. I will get back to you.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: June 8th, 2012 12:03 PM

That's a myth, Brian. Since 1983, Members of Congress have been required to pay Social Security taxes. What is true is that these elected officials have long profited from insider trading.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: June 8th, 2012 10:34 AM

To Steve: Most pension funds are invested to make additional funds available to live off of. What Durbin never speaks about is that as a federal elected official, his organization voted to exempt themselves form paying into social security and have for themselves a private pension. That exemption is not available to a citizen.

steve  

Posted: June 6th, 2012 11:48 AM

Frank, how much will you contribute to your pension in your entire work career? and assume you live to 83, how much will you take out? My guess you will contribute $100k-200k, but you will take out over $1mm. of course you love Durbin. Durbin is everything that is wrong with Illinois and this country

rj  

Posted: June 6th, 2012 11:36 AM

Jim - I could be wrong - but something tells me, based on your previous postings, that if Walker had been recalled you'd be singing the praises of the process of true democracy. Totally agree on one thing- it's impossible to have a thoughtful conversation.

Seems odd  

Posted: June 6th, 2012 11:33 AM

None of the people complaining about "out-of-state" money flowing into WI were complaining about all the "out-of-state" union supporters invading the WI statehouse earlier this year....

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: June 6th, 2012 11:01 AM

Obviously, I should have followed my initial instinct and not attempted to engage with you in a thoughtful discussion on how to address the issue of campaign financing. This isn't about which party holds the power but how can we protect the democratic process from the corrupting influence of money. That was my purpose for posting. I'll leave you to your thoughts.

rj  

Posted: June 6th, 2012 10:46 AM

Jim - Obviously there were more people in WI and across this nation who spoke out against this recall than there were for this recall despite some bogus signatures calling for same. Multi-national corporations also donate to Dems -what about Wall Street, Hollywood, Unions. Dinner at Sarah Jessica Parker's house w/Barack - desperation. Come on Jim, you get serious - you are blinded by your partisanship.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: June 6th, 2012 10:20 AM

And you too missed the point,rj. I'm reluctant to get involved in a serious discussion with you on this subject based upon your past postings but will give it a try. We should all be concerned about the influence of money in government and the political process. It promotes greed and creates bad policies. Obviously, there was not a level playing field in the Wisconsin recall election. Walker outspent his opponent by a wide margin. Let's question why out of state interests contributed so many millions to a local elction? Both of our political parties are involved in questionable fund raising operations. Though the GOP seems to grabbing the majority of donations from multi-national corporations. The SCOTUS ruling opened the floodgates and the result has been a threat to our republic.

rj  

Posted: June 6th, 2012 9:55 AM

Jim - Dems/Unions lose - you cry foul. Have you noticed Obama has had over 150 fund raisers traveling on our dime (Bush had 50 , Clinton had 19)and we still have 5 months to go. Supreme Court/campaign finance laws- yeah, now we can compete w/unions - it's called an even playing field. And we've only just begun!

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: June 6th, 2012 8:19 AM

You missed the point, Luke,

154 Days Until The National Nightmare Is Over  

Posted: June 5th, 2012 11:27 PM

@ Jim. Agreed. $$$$$ and power corrupts. Always has, always will. The U.S.A. is the best that mankind can do.

Luke ScottWalker from Oak Park  

Posted: June 5th, 2012 11:23 PM

Yes, Jim. It's all the fault of money. The 55% of WI voters who retained Walker were incapable of seeing for themselves how retched the state was becoming under his watch. Oh, wait. The state is now much healthier, jobs up, deficit gone, no teachers/cops/firemen laid off, no tax increases. The folly of campaign finance laws shows again. People should be free to give what they want, with immediate disclosure. Let's do something progressive here. Let's recall MIKE MADIGAN! What say you, Jim??

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: June 5th, 2012 11:14 PM

Money makes the world of politics go around. Scott Walker was able to outspend his opponent 7-1 and received tens of millions from out of state interests. How much is expected to be raised by the presidential candidates for their campaigns? It might be close to a billion $$! Since SCOTUS gutted campaign finance laws it may be time to engage in a discussion about how we can reduce the influence of money in politics. It's a threat to the republic, corrupts the process and occurs at every level of government. Politicians have learned to keep the public divided on social issues and while we're distracted and arguing with each other; they scam and scheme for personal gain and make sure to take care of their pals and big donors. Very slick. Be elected. Stay Elected. Get Rich.

154 Days Until The National Nightmare Is Over  

Posted: June 5th, 2012 10:48 PM

Scott Walker Wins In A Landslide. Barry is next !

rj  

Posted: June 1st, 2012 2:43 PM

@CallMeCurious - Asked me about Bill Clinton- He reared his head today- Said Romney had a sterling career as a venture capitalist at Bain & felt he certainly had credibility to create jobs as President - basically threw Obama under the bus. Smart enough to know VC are both party's lifeblood- also Dems Corey Booker, Lani Davis, Devel Patrick agree. Clinton worked well w/Republican Congress & accomplished much as opposed to Obama who is about as rigid as the big stick Biden says Obama carries.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 11:02 PM

Another product from large corporation to benefit you. Jeep know has a sensor to tell the vehicle to slow down when you are approaching slower vehicles while talking on the phone. What another great idea except the part about the Jeep's sensor breaking when it wears out and what about the driver, it's not his responsibility to pay attention to his driving, he's busy on the phone. Big corporations are always making things better for everyone.

Luke ScottWalker from Oak Park  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 9:14 PM

j.oakpark...I'll cease questioning maturity at this point. Your citing the work of John Nichols, as far left a writer (i'll hesitate calling him a journalist) as exists in this country, only makes me question your objectivity. Sorry, Walker is simply scaling back a bloated, inefficient public union bureauacracy, & the productive workers & businesses in WI are happy he's doing it. Private wages in WI are rising, too.

j.oakpark  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 8:18 PM

@luke, who also takes his name from luke skywalker, a fictional character in a kids movie is calling out someone for being mature? I am mature enough to read John Nichols articles about scott walker who is giving giant tax cuts to his funders, industry, as long as he breaks all unions in wis. raises taxes on workers and seniors and cut wages and planned parenthood so his buddies can pay lower wages...and no taxes! when I leave illinois it sure isn't going to be for wisconsin.

Unfortunately  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 8:13 PM

@j.op. Like I previously wrote, I DO make daily "dumb" mistakes - but at least I don't make the "dumb" mistakes of voting for Quinn, Durbin, Harmon, Stroger, etc - who are working O.T. to bankrupt the state. I'm wagering that you voted for just about every one! I can understand not voting for the R candidate, but why not just write in "Donald Duck?" And, yes, "rj," you could be a "token female on this thread"! Also, consider this book: "http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html"

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 6:57 PM

Mrs. rj, you are correct, Mayor Bloomberg is an independent. Thank you for correcting that. Now we know it's not the democrats or republicans but the independents who want to control billion dollar industries.

rj  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 6:23 PM

Q -Michael Bloomberg is no longer a Republican - as of 2008 he is an Independent

rj  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 6:06 PM

@Unfortunately - I missed your post earlier - re WI - everyone will be blamed except themselves and don't forget GW. The outrage will be monumental and we can only hope to see it repeated again in Nov. You referred to me as Mr.rj - Could I be the only token female on this thread?!

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 6:05 PM

Republicans who don't like government telling you what to do. Your republican Mayor Bloomberg is telling N.Y. what they can buy. Your republican leaders are not telling you the truth.

Luke ScottWalker from Oak Park  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 4:58 PM

j.oakpark..I stand corrected. The Koch's don't live in WI, though they do have business interests there. The other 98% of my comments are correct and more to the point. What Gov Walker is doing is working for the taxpayers & producers of his state, the whining of union thugs & society's takers not withstanding. If that's "dumb", we could use more of it in the bankrupt state of Corruption that is Illinois. Suck my thumb & cry in the corner? Very mature of you. I bid you peace, my friend.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 4:46 PM

Tom,Tom,Tom, The national socalist movement was as known as the socialist democrat movement. The movement stood for no private ownership of firearms, a disregard for religion and church, and big government, all left/socialist hall marks.

j.oakpark  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 4:37 PM

@unfortunately, I did not vote for walker, that is for sure. And scottwalker's name is scottwalker not skywalker. But what does that prove? Nothing, well save you made yet another mistake with the evidence right in front of you. Your steady diet of right wing radio is making you, you guessed it...dumb.

rj  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 3:21 PM

Some of you people don't understand the fight is not among ourselves - but it is with influences that are compromising this country in ways some refuse to recognize or question. Maybe I'm carrying the torch for my father-in-law and what he went through. Because what has happened in every other part of the world can happen here - we are not immune.

Unfortunately  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 3:16 PM

@j.oak park. Mr. Skywalker may have made a "dumb" mistake (which I do many times per day!), but I'm willing to wager that he didn't vote for Quinn, Durbin, Harmon, Stroger and the rest of the crooks and supporters of them. Can you say the same? Based on your posts, I'd say "nyet!" Or, as my idol, Mr. Gump, would say, "stupid is what stupid does." Mr. rj - it is families who know what real tyranny is - which isn't Scott Walker - that feel a "duty" to others. Thanks!

j.oakpark  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 3:12 PM

@luke scottwalker, now look at this: then go suck your thumb and cry in the corner. http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/dataondemand/140931763.html

j.oakpark  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 3:07 PM

@luke scottwalker: the Koch bros. don't live in Wisconsin! One lives in Kansas and the other in New York. Are you that dumb? you seem to have internet access...look things up before you post. http://www.forbes.com/profile/charles-koch/ http://www.forbes.com/profile/charles-koch/ . oh that is right scott walker is your hero, you are that dumb.

rj  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 2:43 PM

Curious - My father-in-law joined the partisans, promoted to officer to fight the German occupation in Yugoslavia. When he refused to join the Comm party officially@ end of WWII he was marked for assassination. He managed to barely escape as his wife was prematurely told he was killed - commies not knowing he had already escaped to Austria, then Italy & US. Took 7 yrs to get wife/4 kids to join him legally. He always said a high rank in Com Party could not replace freedom here.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 2:40 PM

Luke ScottWalker from Oak Park, the same reason why Walker will win is the same reason Obama will win again.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 2:38 PM

Jim Coughlin, money can not change what has happened to people in WI., so if Walker is back, it's because people voted him back in, and that is the stupidity of the voters. The same thing is true with Obama. He just mentioned about how he and Michelle talked about making college affordable for students. He has been working on that for four years and still can't make it happen. He needs to consult his children like he did to help change his views about Gays.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 2:35 PM

159 Days Until The National Nightmare Is Over, you know what a big waste of time for the republicans was... It was going after Bill Clinton for something that was nothing that hurt America. If you want to watch sex, watch the right wing good family channel, FOX. Now lets move to Bush, killing and taking a surplus of money Clinton saved and wasting all of the surplus and putting the country in debt with Obama following following what Bush did.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 2:25 PM

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park, people in war become very angered and torturing without a so called justification for beating information out of someone is just anger and hatred turned against the enemy who has been captured. It's like beating a confession out of someone, getting them to sign and then placing them in prison until someone comes along to prove they were tortured into a confession to stop the torture.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 2:22 PM

Jim Coughlin, I'm going to say that what I read about what Soros said is true. He is not someone who is helping others unless they do what he wants. Soros thinks he has been selected to make the world as he wants with the money he has.

The Unholy Trinity  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 1:47 PM

Organized Crime, Union Bosses & the Democratic Party. In the words of Dana Carvey's Church Lady: "Well, Isn't That Special".

Unfortunately  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 1:36 PM

@JC. Thanks - I didn't know that I, an OP/IL resident, could assist in the WI election for Walker! I'll now look up "Prosperity for America" and see how I can help Walker! If only IL had the "problems" that you claim WI does. And we don't need "John Doe" stuff - we already know their names: Quinn, Madigan, Cullerton, Harmon, etc! Your union buddies and Dem politicians are why IL is a joke, bankrupt, and a full of corruption state. Yeah, worry about Koch bros and Walker!?!

Luke ScottWalker from Oak Park  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 1:20 PM

Jim, Jim, Jim...still pertpetuating the "Koch Brothers" mythology? OK, they're rich guys who do what they can to influence elections...that makes them like Soros, Pritzker, the Kennedy's, Hollywood, etc. R's & D's alike. In Wis, far more $$ is coming in from out of state union bosses than the Koch's, who actually live in Wis. Deal with the fact that Walker's reforms are working, & giving local govts much more flexibility to deal w/local $$ issues. Walker will win by a > margin than last time!

159 Days Until The National Nightmare Is Over  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 1:17 PM

Who started all this recall nonsense in Wisconsin ? Now that the crybabies see a big time butt whooping coming their way, up come the Liberal Democrats with a plethora of excuses. Talk about a WASTE of taxpayers money. I have a suggestion for them. "Close your eyes and tap your heels together three times. And think to yourself, there's no place like home." Feel better now. What happens June 05th will also happen again on November 06th in Wisconsin. Tick Tock....

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 12:59 PM

Get your hearing checked if it "sounds" to you that Democrats are attempting to create a fascist society in this country. Were able to reading Tim Dickinson report on the right-wing extremists who are funding Mitt Romney? That "sounds" to me like they are attempting to create a society that only serves and protects the needs of the wealthy.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 12:51 PM

Don't discount the role that outside money has played in the Wisconsin election. 70% of Walker's money has come from out of state and he is outspending his opponent 25 to 1.It was reported today that Prosperity for America aka the Koch brothers will award prizes to Illinois residents who agree to make robocalls this weekend to Wisconsin voters urging them to vote for Scott Walker aka John Doe. The criminal investigation of Walker's antics may derail his plan to sell off the state's assets to his political donors.

Unfortunately  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 12:48 PM

@Tom. You are right. The Nazis were fascists. Here is a partial definition that I swiped from Wiki: "Fascists advocate a state-directed, regulated market economy that is dedicated to the nation; the use and primacy of regulated private property and private enterprise contingent upon service to the nation, the use of state enterprise where private enterprise is failing or is inefficient" To me this sounds like a liberal utopia and what the Democrats are attempting here.

Unfortunately  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 12:41 PM

@rj. Thanks for your posts. This isn't "fun," but "duty!" In the meantime, I know that what you are writing is not astrophysics stuff, but "depth" is always what has separated one side from the other. Hmm, what do you think that the "emotional" side is going to to do if the polls hold up in WI? Who will they blame? Beck? Kochs? WI is not UT in terms of political persuasion - the state hasn't voted R in a Prez election in a long time. And now they are likely to re-elect Walker, a conservative?

Tom from River Forest  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 12:39 PM

"The meaning of socialism is that life is controlled not by the opposition between rich and poor, but by the rank that achievement and talent bestow." Certainly not what Marx envisioned. That said Brian, if you believe that Nazi Germany was a Marxian socialist country simply because of the name, then you must also believe that N. Korea is just like the US because its formal title is Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Tom from River Forest  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 12:34 PM

Brian, Brian, Brian. Why do you spend so much time showing how little you know. You are right that Nazi was a amalgam of "National Socialists," (there was no "Democrat" in there btw) but I bet that you didn't know that the philosophical creator of the movement was a guy named Oswald Spengler. The next post will be Spengler's definition of "socialism" as used in the title of the party.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 12:33 PM

And which websites are you relying upon for info regarding the Koch family and George Soros?

Call me curious  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 11:57 AM

rj, what do you do for fun? Anything that doesn't have to do with 'politics?' Is there anything else that animates you? (sports, anmimals, your family)I ask this of people of both sides who are so consistently strident. Do you get up in the morning bemoaning Marxism and go to bed the same way? Have your views on Bill Clinton changed since 1992? How and why?

rj  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 11:41 AM

Jim - these are facts - you will not find them on HIS websites which you favor. The Koch brothers are not Marxists and not profiting by overturning governments. Soros has been thrown out of countries I've mentioned yet we are a sanctuary for him, Bill. He hides behind his philanthropic endeavors which are self-serving and gullible liberals can't get enough and refuse to entertain the possibility.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 11:38 AM

I will try to help the uninformed and report that George Soros became a naturalized US citizen in 1961. Soros supported Prop 19 in California and argues that legalizing marijuana would reduce border crime and take a big bite out the profits of the drug cartels. He and President Obama disagree on the subject.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 11:16 AM

You are simply parroting the delusional rants of Glenn Beck.

Biff Pocoroba  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 11:15 AM

Tell us rj, how you feel about the Koch brothers. Any parallels with Soros?

rj  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 11:07 AM

Jim - You have a scrubbed version. George (Schwartz) Soros helped turn in fellow Jews and profited from same. His claims - Collapses currencies and regimes (Britain). Funded revolutions in Czech Republic, Ukraine and Georgia. Staged coups in Slovakia, Croatia -Yugoslavia. Wants to overturn US. Center for Amer Progress his first Shadow Party groups to gain control of conservative media. Called for devaluation of $$. Wants a global society w/o indiv. govts. - 1 gatekeeper. Obama's puppetmaster.

Gym Koughlin  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 10:53 AM

I fully support a non-citizen of the United States trying to shape our policies. I also support Mr. Soros's effort to legalize marijuana in OUR country.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 10:26 AM

Q, I just watched an interesting interview with George Soros conducted in January. He states that he is slightly disappointed with President Obama but will continue to support him. Soros also said that there is not much difference between the President and Mitt Romney. I do admire Soros for his philanthropic efforts to spread democracy in emerging nations. As you know, right-wing extremists are behind the attacks against Soros who admits that he has angered many fellow billionaires.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 8:53 AM

Pluto: The nazis were socisalists. The word stands for the naional socialist democrat party. Please post where and when I stated North Korea is a democracy. My apology to all for trying to rehash a dead issue. Thank you Q for the challenge.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 31st, 2012 6:38 AM

Jim Coughlin, read just a little information about George Soros, and he says he wants to change things the way he wants them and has the money to do that. He isn't a supporter of Obama, he is the conductor of Obama. I don't know if that is really true that he said that but it was quoted from his books. Let me know if its true or not.

John Butch Murtagh from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 10:24 PM

Pluto - You have to be kidding. Why would anyone intentionally avoid a healthy debate with Brian. He's a good poster!

Pluto  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 10:15 PM

Please, people, don't bother arguing with Slowiak. The man is an idiot. He thinks that the Nazis are socialists and that North Korea is a democracy. Just let him talk to himself, like all respectable mental defectives.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 9:18 PM

@Unfortunately & Q. Please read the report and share your knowledge of George Soros and the other big donors who support President Obama. It would useful to the cite examples of how their influence compares to what is on the agenda of the right-wing billionaires who are funding Romney. It's night and day in my book but you may see it differently. I trust we can continue to have an informed discussion and look forward to reading your comments.

rj  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 9:02 PM

Jim - To your earlier posts - Looks like maybe too many liberals are finally watching Fox, bringing the IQ level down when surveyed. Let's wait until they get better informed. A university, (breeding ground for future socialists) and Jon Stewart is your bellwether for truth - you forgot SNL. Most entitlements are loser causes - war on poverty longest war we've ever been involved in - LBJ's 200 yr plan. Obama is a skilled liar - tells you what you want to hear & does otherwise- have you noticed?

T.J. from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 7:45 PM

Dick Durbin is the poster child for term limits and birth control.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 7:12 PM

To Q: Yes,i agree with most of your post. What is the purpose of torture?When John McCain was tortured, there was no purpose for the torture.Radio frequencies and tactical objectives changed as well as the location of the air craft carrier. So why was John McCain tortured? What was the purpose of the "Torture" of the I think three terrorists? What was the purpose of making a person jump for his life? Murder.Conditioning.Information gathered to save other lives.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 7:01 PM

Tom: We have nothing settled. The question unanswered is, Is it torture for a person to be forced to jump rather than be burned alive in the WTC on 9/11.

OPRF Achievement  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 5:30 PM

@Tom - the use of "RIGHT" caught my eye. Why - not that the issue of this blogpost has to be political - but that you made is such. I take it you lean "left" which is fine. Perhalps you can explain (and get off the old issue of waterboarding) to your suppport of "left" President Obama ordering the shooting of people like OBL and others from Drones (even an American Citizen). Explain the moral compass of this CURRENT situation!

Tom from River Forest  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 5:25 PM

Brian - Glad we got that settled. Still does clear up my question about why that is any way relevant to the debasement of our nation's moral standing via the use of torture.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 5:08 PM

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park, they are not the same. When you do torture, it's not about the pain, it's the mental pain created. Exp.. If I explode fire crackers in front of you, you know what they do. Now I place one next to your ear and light it. Your mind now readies your body. The fuse burns and nothing happens. I do this over and over with sometimes it exploding and sometimes it won't. I have now conditioned you. Understand torture is knowing it's wrong.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 5:04 PM

Tom: I am not moving goal posts. i want to know if being forced to jump from a burning building on 9/11 and torture, which includes water boarding are the same?

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 5:04 PM

Jim Coughlin, you are absolutely right, but so is Unfortunately. This is why there is no leadership for the people of our country since both sides enjoy money over our Country.

Unfortunately  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 4:55 PM

@JC. What appears to be the most "troubling" thing for you is that you truly have an "issue" about Republicans - and that you "hear no - see no" when it comes to Obama and the Dem's. Does the name "George Soros" ring a bell for you? How about that the top donors for Obama were Wall St and Big Banks - and that he and Geithner have done everything possible for them since election. Geither is from Goldman Sachs and Dimon is a friend leading us off a cliff. But your nightmares are solely of R's?

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 3:50 PM

"Don't nobody bring me no bad news". That seems to the response from some who are not concerned about how money is corrupting the electoral process and threatening our republic. For those who do care about such things, there is an outstanding report in the latest issue of Rolling Stone. Tim Dickinson reveals the names, how much they are spending and the real motives of the billionaires who are pouring money into the Romney campaign and GOP superpacs. A victory means to them that we will see fewer consumer protections, no restrictions on Wall St, lower taxes by 20% on the super wealthy, more loopholes, protection from prosecutions for false advertising and marketing scams, freedom to pollute our air and water, no oversight of radioactive waste disposal, lucrative defense contracts, corporate subsidies and more and more and more. It is troubling that a significant portion of the general population is willing to ignore the truth and will carry water for these corporate criminals.

Mike Bost For U.S. Senate  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 3:38 PM

It's time for DICK to go.

Tom from River Forest  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 3:26 PM

Brian - where did I say that they were equivalent? Your question was asking whether it was torture. Why does the right always have to move the goalposts in an effort to prove their point?

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 3:16 PM

Tom: So falling to your death to avoid burning to death is the same as water boarding where then outcome is information, not death.

Tom from River Forest  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 2:34 PM

Brian - I would have thought that the answer to that question is obvious given my post, but for the more obtuse, of course it is. Now tell me Brian, why is that at all relevant to the US's use of the morally abhorrent torture?

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 2:29 PM

Unfortunately, you are correct. The democrats did not stand up, and they are a new breed of democrats. If you want something done in this country, a republican president can get it done. The probably is they get the wrong things done.

Frank Furillo  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 2:20 PM

The point is that if we judge ourselves by the means and methods of terrorists, we are as bad as the terrorists. 9/11 was atrocious. Torturing people is also atrocious. If we believe in "American exceptionalism," we must be exceptional, i.e. better than our enemies. Too many Americans forget this.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 2:11 PM

Okay, Tom, so is jumping to your death rather than burning to death torture?Is jumping to your death the same as water boarding?

Tom from River Forest  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 1:38 PM

Brian Slowiak - Yes, let us set the moral compass of our nation using terrorists as our North Star.

Unfortunately  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 1:35 PM

@Q. "You are either with us or against us" did play a role, but why couldn't the D's use the courage of Slowiak, Hefner, Murtaugh, Coughlin, etc? No, as Izzo put it, they were "wussies" - and they read the intel. In the meantime, let's turn our attn to the weekly atrocities on the Irving playground! March on D97 to protest the carnage to the children? I'd move to RF, but then I'd have to give up K-8 Spanish, etc - and just get being a superior student in return! Also, no weeds in parks! No way!

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 1:30 PM

I dont know if water boarding is torture. I have heard that Special Forces troops get water boarded so they become used to the action. i know the Oak Park Police took face full of pepper spray to get used to the effect and I have seen instructors taser themselves and remain standing. I would like to have someone tell me if being caught above the burning floors at the WTC on 9/11 and being forced to jump to you death,rather than burn to death is torture or not.

Charles Izzo from Algonquin  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 1:25 PM

I see some of the screen name cowards are slamming Dan Hefner. You may not like his opinion but at least he is upfront by signing his real name. I feel if you call someone out at least have the strength of coviction to use your real name. Frequent bloggers like Slowiak, Murtaugh and Hefner use their real names. Those of you that bad rap others with your cute little screen names are wussies. Back in the day I would give you a super wedgy and a good kick in the rear if I got my hands on you.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 1:20 PM

Unfortunately, the democrats voted in favor for the Bush invasion because Bush used,"You are either with us, or against us". Danny K. Davis was not in favor of it at all and still held out hopes that it could be stopped, but he too must have realized if you want something, you have to go along with something.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 1:18 PM

Jim Coughlin, you are well informed. Only thing is I am not a fan of Obama, but certainly don't need someone like Romney, and you are correct, Obama would make them look like clowns.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 1:16 PM

rj, we need to have that talk about your early potty training soon.

Unfortunately  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 1:06 PM

@JC. I'm pretty certain that the either the Carter or Obama administrations will go down as the worst in modern history. I'll grant you, though, that Bush was putrid, too. Any of you guys marching recently about Obama's Afghan war? It appears to me that, ahem, you have all of sudden become quiet about this military conflict. BTW, Bush relied on intel from Clinton's team regarding Iraq. And all of the D's in the Senate had access to same info - and voted for the war. Congress is also putrid.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 12:41 PM

The survey was conducted by researchers at Fairleigh Dickinson University. A swing and miss by you about MSNBC. Their viewers also did not fare well in answering the questions about domestic and international issues. But, Fox News viewers performed the worst. Actually, those who were proved to be best informed listened to NPR or watch The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. I am not opposed to capitalism but do believe that how we treat those who are less fortunate helps to define us as a civilized society. You'll need to offer examples of "loser causes" before I can respond properly.

rj  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 12:09 PM

Jim & Q - You guys are just too much! Who took this survey about Fox - which gives you both sides of the story? MSNBC who has two viewers - oh that's you two. Guess you have a problem with the capitalist system as opposed to the government gambling with our money and/or redistributing it for some loser cause. You sure like to get yourselves worked up.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 11:41 AM

Thanks, Q. I cannot understand how people can be suckered into believing that Donald Trump is anything more than a self-promoting windbag and a bigot. He inherited much of his wealth and has gone thru bankruptcy on several occasions. Trump casinos lost money. The house always wins except when Trump is running the game. Romney should be rejecting birthers like Trump but instead embraces them. Wait until he debates President Obama and tries to peddle the gibberish he's offering to supporters on the campaign trail. Anyone who watched the GOP primary debates saw Romney struggle against a bunch of lightweights. How do you think he will fare when he faces a skilled communicator like our President?

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 11:27 AM

Cont... With the Middle East, we have lost the respect of the World, regardless what FOX and Limbaugh tells you. Remember, they are the good American family channel. Pay attention to the garbage FOX stations play. They are not a very friendly group of people.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 11:26 AM

Great reply Jim Coughlin, you can't make people like rj, understand facts. There is another fact that people don't recall about Trump. Trump took his ideas of building Atlantic City, and lost everything. The banks were so far in debt with him that they let him roll the dice again. It finally turned in favor for Trump. When you have enough of others money to gamble with, you eventually will win, but at what cost is the negative side to that. Cont....

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 11:13 AM

Geez, Louise! I posted a comment last evening that I do not condone drone attacks and am anti-war. If you are going to play fast and loose with facts there's no point in continuing to have this discussion. You are darn right I have an issue with Bush/Cheney and believe that historical evidence will show them to be the worst administration in modern US history. They lied us into a war with Iraq and promised it would pay for itself. The unfunded tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and a prescription drug plan were kept off the books as well as the costs of two wars. I do not justify torture and have yet to hear from anyone who was subjected to this inhumane treatment but agrees with Cheney. A recent survey indicated that viewers who rely upon Fox News viewers for accurate reporting are the most misinformed on the issues of the day. There's the rub!

rj  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 11:04 AM

Unfortunately - I'm sure Jim is a good guy. Us R's are quick to see our party's shortcomings and quick to point them out. The D's stick together like glue and refuse to acknowledge theirs. There's the conflict. Guess you can't disparage or disagree with all those interest groups you're depending on.

Unfortunately  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 10:28 AM

@rj. JC is a good man on many things local but, like you wrote, simply has an emotional issue with Bush/Cheney - which he likely will carry to his grave. You raise important questions regarding his selective positions - and he responds with deflections. JC, want to know why Romney is keeping his distance from Bush? Because even most R's are/were "disappointed" with him. And why do you go bonkers over waterboarding - where no one dies - and are silent with Obama murdering with drones?

rj  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 10:26 AM

Jim - We've gone over this before. Bush surplus/911/war approved by both sides of aisle. Bush spent 5B/day - Obama 9 B/day. Clinton first ignored BL - Bush had to re-establish ability for CIA & FBI to restructure intel that Clinton broke up. Romney endorsed by Bush & Cheney. Obama- not so sharp Sharpton and bite your tongue Biden. I'll take Romney/Trump any day. Anything else Jim. Easy now -I'm still stinging from the last one.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 9:57 AM

Dick Cheney needs you to keep believing. It's no fantasy that Bush entered the White House with the largest surplus in our nation's history and left office with the biggest deficit. It's a sad fact that Bush ignored numerous intelligence reports warning of a planned attack on US soil. There's a very good reason why Mitt Romney is not publicly seeking support from Bush/Cheney or asked them to join him on the campaign trail. Care to hazard a guess why he prefers to be linked with Donald Trump? Romney seems to have the same "thing" going on that you contend applies to me. Ouch!

rj  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 9:00 AM

Jim - We live in two different realms. Facts just don't line up with your fantasy. I hope you get some help with this Bush/Cheney thing you've got going on.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 8:14 AM

Dick Cheney wants you to believe that waterboarding is not torture and that victims provided useful information. Check your sources.

rj  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 1:31 AM

Jim - To set the record straight - Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded & gave up intel re bombing of US Bank Tower in LA in 2005 - it was thwarted. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded and gave up Bin Laden's courier which then led to the Seals ability to find & kill BL. Vast amounts of intel was seized from his compound giving Panetta info for future attacks targeting NY. It has been effective and reliable.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 12:29 AM

No need to apologize and truth is not insulting. Reality may be difficult accept and most experts agree that waterboarding is not an effective nor reliable method for obtaining useful information from a prisoner. I will leave to you and Dick Cheney to voice support for waterboarding.

rj  

Posted: May 30th, 2012 12:14 AM

Sorry Jim if the truth is insulting. If waterboarding is torture how does the use of drones to kill register on your moral compass? I have no problem with the drone issue but then I had no problem with rendition. You can't accept the fact that Communism and Muslim extremists are our greatest threats

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 11:23 PM

OPRF Dad, I think you should support the DOJ plan to instruct pastors on the restrictions regarding campaigning from the pulpit. The line has been blurred in recent years. The seperation between church and state must be maintained and clearly defined. It has been a two-way street as I'm sure you can recall members of the clergy who have also expressed their opposition to President Obama. The IRS is involved to explain a tax-exempt status that is available to religious institutions providing that they do not use their ministry for political purposes. Failure to adhere to that requirement jeopardizes the exemption.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 11:11 PM

I cannot make sense of this nonsense. Trying to insult me doesn't make or strengthen your case. Waterboarding is torture. You said otherwise and you're wrong. Dan, don't count me as supporting the use of drones. I marched in 1968 and my anti-war position has not changed. Too many innocents die and suffer. Peace, now! Please consider that we were warned about the threat posed by the military-industrial complex by President Eisenhower during his farewell address He also expressed concern for the country if oilmen gained control of the White House. Funny, how the GOP never mentions Ike's years as president as an example of what the party is capable of accomplishing. He was responsible for creating our national highway system. Romney is pledging to increase defense spending and cut veterans' benefits. I doubt his election would result in a reduction in the use of drones. Presidents tend to listen to their generals.

rj  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 9:46 PM

Jim & Q - More like Laurel & Hardy. What's your point? No one ever died from waterboarding. And all you can come up with is Hannity and Fox. You don't have one leg to stand on between the two of you. I don't back off from the truth which you couldn't recognize if your life depended on it - and at this point it does.

Dan from OP  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 9:46 PM

@Jim C - lets get beyond "waterboarding is tortue" War is a mean business. We are talking about water on some ones head and you are bent out of shape on THAT, and our current President Obama is out giving the orders to have people KILLED by un manned Drones or Sharpshooters (Binladen --- without a Court of Justice. Come on Jim - drop the gimmic now.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 9:42 PM

Bob McDonnell supports using drones domestically and the Virginia governor has obtained authorization to operate the unmanned aircraft within his state. McDonnell is reportedly on Mitt Romeny's short list as a potential running mate. Has Romney offered his views on the use of drones aboard and domestically? I do recall that he stated an interest in engaging in military action against Iran and has pledged to significantly increase defense spending. We can object to the use of drones but it is unlikely to change the position of the joint chiefs that they have proven to be an effective weapon. Presidents tend to listen to generals.

OPRFDad  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 9:30 PM

So, what are thoughts on Obama training black pastors to do his campaigning for him via Holder and the IRS? I know OP is pretty anti-religion, so this has to be quite a quandry for your average OPer. Of course, this probably falls under the typical OP special pleading - Bush was a horrible rule breaker, but when Obama does it, that's ok.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 8:56 PM

Jim Coughlin, well pointed out about rj saying water boarding is not torture. Does anyone know, including all republicans if Sean Hannity, that good American, ever served his country by wearing a Military uniform or do republicans have an excuse for this fine example of a FOX entertainer of gossip, and lies.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 8:53 PM

Waterboarding is torture. Fox News pundit Sean Hannity stated that it was not and even offered to prove it by allowing himself to be subjected to waterboarding on a live broadcast. Of course, once he learned what he would be actually experiencing; Hannity fully retreated and never again made mention of it. The individual posting on this forum who is now parroting Hannity's empty argument should consider following his example and back off.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 6:19 PM

Cont... Now give me your phone number and we will talk about your early toilet training.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 6:18 PM

Cont... rj, just don't get to wrapped up in what you think other countries are doing to us, because we always make sure to do something to them, even when they don't deserve it, so don't expect any intelligence gathering because there is no big secret plan of them vs. us attack. It's small groups of resistors to our presence in their country. Obama had that problem with Saudi Arabia, and now we know what to do. Wipe out anyone who disagrees with our plans. Cont...

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 6:16 PM

Cont.. we will be pulling out of that country, in another year or two. You really need to be trained to listen how a politician talks. Our leader also says if all is possible, but a presence will be kept in Afghanistan. You need to keep that presence to make sure the previous countries government doesn't come back in and end the poppy fields, because drugs are money that makes the economy flow. Cont..

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 6:13 PM

Cont.. But enough of the Bush did this and who did that. What you have is now Iraq, a country that has a puppet leader controlled by the U.S.. That's acceptable although that caused the death of thousand's of American's for a few politicians to get what they wanted, and the rest can say it was for the protection of America. We have an Embassy now in Iraq, which use to be referred to the Green Zone. Fortified, with secret exits, etc.. Enter Afghanistan... In this country, we our leader says Cont.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 6:10 PM

rj, we will keep your potty training out of the public, but we must talk about it. Drones are nothing new, they are just being used more. As far as any killing of intelligence sources, that is just ridiculous. No one has any intelligence. If you missed the memo, Bin Laden did his killing with a handful of his merry men. Nothing more that that. Since it was Bush, and not Clinton, in charge, Bush and Cheney grabbed an opportunity to regroup this Country to their liking. Cont...

realist from earth  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 5:40 PM

@161 days by my count it's 161 days until you are bitterly disappointed. To quote Nelson Muntz "HA HA"

rj  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 5:23 PM

exQuse me? - keep my potty training out of this! Waterboarding is NOT torture. But we're not waterboarding anymore - we're killing - no questions asked. I'd like a response from one of you about Obama and his killer drones (not to be confused with liberals I often refer to as drones). Are you OK with killing terrorists w/o gathering intel? Because you were calling for impeachment no matter what Bush did. I know you don't see any hypocrisy here. Please elaborate.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 4:35 PM

rj, we must talk about your early potty training. I can torture you and you will tell me anything to stop it. I can't prove the point because torture is outlawed regardless of the name used, waterboarding, electrifying, etc..

161 Days Until The National Nightmare Is Over  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 4:04 PM

Tick Tock

John Butch Murtagh from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 3:48 PM

Hefner - Are you serious? Politicians cause all the wars, and we send out men and women to the site to kill and get killed! They go because the politicians tell them to go. They die because they are afraid of the politicians. When did we lose our Freedom?

rj  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 3:08 PM

Obama's Kill List via drones. Killing terrorists, including American Anwar Al Alawki. Shows you liberals will do anything to avoid enhanced interrogations - waterboarding- for those who don't watch Fox. Obama, the official judge, jury and executioner- who knew. Where's all the hand wringing and rantings. Takes the meaning of the Nobel Peace Prize to a whole new level.

Tired of Imbeciles  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 2:47 PM

Hefner, you're a liar or an idiot or, more likely, both. Durbin never compared the troops fighting in the Middle East to Nazis. What he did was point out that by torturing prisoners at Gitmo, we were doing what the Nazis and other evil regimes did. Turn off Fox News. It has been repeatedly proven to make you dumber than you already are.

Dan Hefner from Oak Park  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 2:17 PM

To Q & John Butch, let's see, who starts the wars? Oh yes, the politicans. Most recently Clinton, Bush, and O'Bama all kept our troops busy in war zones. War is an atrocity and you cannot expect to be involved in a war without atrocities being committed. I strongly hope that all our troops are brought home. The venues listed by Q have little to do with the national security of the USA. Durbin has been active as a Senate leader with maintaing the status quo of the USA being the World's Police.

Dan Hefner from Oak Park  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 2:04 PM

James, kindly give me a call to dicuss your comments concerning Saint Giles. I would like to get to the bottom of these alleged issues that you have brought forward. My number is listed.

On behalf of 3,000 victims  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 1:59 PM

@Q - I think it's safe to say it made sense to go to Afghanistan else tempt another attack. There are also literally thousands of covert operations that involve unreported deaths of those who want to kill Americans. I hate war and violence too but it's a necessary evil to protect freedom.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 1:44 PM

John Butch Murtagh from Oak Park, Illinois, you are absolutely correct. The last War was WWII, that needed to be fought. Korea, Viet Nam, Desert Storm, and now Middle East, plus involvement in many other countries have nothing to do with the protection of the United States. There are people who know that it's wrong, there are people who believe it's necessary, there are people who don't understand it, and there are people who don't care. Are leaders are the ones who choose.

James  

Posted: May 29th, 2012 7:08 AM

@Hefner--as to St. Giles, you are blind or ignorant. Let's see if I can accommodate...two black male students dismissed after being harassed by white students; a teacher instructing students that using the "n" word is OK; attack on a black male student for objecting be the "n" reference and accusing him of fighting (white student admitted lying, parents, board did not); and, more recently, "recalculating" (lowering) the grades of a black female student so that a white student was advanced. Enoug

John Butch Murtagh from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: May 28th, 2012 10:21 PM

Q - There hasn't been a decade in my life when we were not at war or fighting an insurgency somewhere in the world. Too many people have been killed for me to rationalize what we have done.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 28th, 2012 8:53 PM

John Butch Murtagh from Oak Park, Illinois, I certainly am with you but you have to give this some thought. When you are with a group for some reason, some people will just forget about being grounded in a situation that is not real to normal life. Doesn't make it right at all, and I am surprised that more has not been reported after sending Men over and over into fighting.

John Butch Murtagh from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: May 28th, 2012 6:42 PM

Dan - I am a veteran but I do not support all veterans of foreign wars. Those who committed atrocities like Abu Graib an My-Lai (and there are many more military insults to mankind), I give them no respect or forgiveness.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: May 28th, 2012 6:00 PM

National Nightmare? Please explain.

162 Days Until The National Nightmare Is Over  

Posted: May 28th, 2012 5:29 PM

There's a reason his parents named him DICK !

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: May 28th, 2012 2:52 PM

I'm sure you want to fair and accurate, Dan. Senator Durbin was citing a FBI memo that described how American personnel were treating war prisoners. He sought to being attention to the conditions in the prison camps and unfortunately compared those actions to Nazi atrocities, the Soviet Gulag and the murderous regime of Pol Pot. The senator did apologize.

Dan Hefner from Oak Park  

Posted: May 28th, 2012 9:37 AM

James, to quote Mr.T "I pity the fool". (you James) I never made a comment about Rush Limbaugh. (James wrong again) You accuse the entire Saint Giles School Board of being racists. (how/why once again James is wrong). I am sure you, James like Durbin never served your country as a memeber of the armed forces. When Durbin referred to our service men as Nazis he lost me forever. Haivng served in the USMC 1969-1970in Republic of Vietnam I support all veterans. War is not pretty nor is it fair.

rj  

Posted: May 28th, 2012 1:13 AM

@163 days - 162 days and counting - hope and pray you're right - despite the Soros voter machine controversy and the traditional voter fraud issues which are the cornerstone of the democratic party election "process"- by any means necessary.

rj  

Posted: May 28th, 2012 12:31 AM

Q - I'm reminded of of the movie Trains, Planes & Automobiles. John Candy not paying attention ends up going the wrong way on the highway. People desperately trying to tell him of his demise if he doesn't heed their warning to turn around. He's so out of touch he thinks they're crazy and finds their frantic warnings entertaining. I can't sit by quietly as some of you might stay the course and take the rest of us with you over the cliff. This election is too important.

Dooper 58 from Oak Park  

Posted: May 27th, 2012 6:03 PM

Q, you are right about one thing. I do have a problem with racism. My problem is I hate it, whether it's used by KKK types, or the Jesse Jackson's of the world throwing the race card out to mask every problem, or by the "progressives" and their "soft bigotry of low expectations" as GWB so aptly described it.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 27th, 2012 4:03 PM

rj, He is not a good President, and has continued the legacy of Bush, including spending. It's really unfortunate that there are two choices, Obama again, and Mitt Romney, the person who has exported America in return for money. Democrat's should have someone other than Obama to vote for and republicans should find someone who will invest in America.

163 Days....  

Posted: May 27th, 2012 3:27 PM

...until the National Nightmare is finally over.

rj  

Posted: May 27th, 2012 2:59 PM

Obama is the president now, unfortunately, not Bush. You mean the Patriot Act that Obama has doubled down on. You mean crony - pay to play - capitalism at unprecedented levels in this admin. Fellow marxist czars to help undermine the Constitution at every turn. No budget for 3.5 yrs because it is so out of control it can't be made public & George Soros, the communist puppeteer funneling funds and propping up this corrupt admin through the also corrupt media which is no longer mainstream.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 27th, 2012 1:50 PM

America safe from the terrorists. Then toss in all the republican friends who manufacture equipment for the air ports, make weapons for the Military, and you now how some very rich republicans who placed their loyalties to money, and left America to fend for itself. Cheney wanted the Military to take to our streets but that is one think Bush said no to him. Cheney was head of the NSA, Bush's father, the CIA, so who would know more about how to control the masses asses like yours then they would

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 27th, 2012 1:46 PM

rj, You mean Bush, and speaking of Bush, he is the one after Bin Laden and his handful of merry men hit the U.S., decided to create a war on terrorism. Use to be communism, and that got boring. Then Bush says this is a new America, and he and Cheney got busy to re-work the constitution so it met the right guide lines for creating a spy network on American's through email, wiretapping, bank transactions, texts, satellite spying, and other devices for spying all in the name of keeping... Cont...

rj  

Posted: May 26th, 2012 10:36 PM

Q -Your president is a self-proclaimed Saul Alinskyite cokehead who wants to take away your freedoms. You've just added another notch on the belt of hypocrisy worn by you and the other leftists used to hold up your little boy pants. When you can't handle truth you call it entertainment - pathetic.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 26th, 2012 8:58 PM

rj from Oak Park, you think limbaugh and fox brings out the truth and exposes people. limbaugh is an entertaining who also used pain killers and sent his maid to pick them up, and only after he was caught, he decided to seek treatment. Fox entertainment channel is just that, entertainment. You take it as a real source of knowledge.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 26th, 2012 8:54 PM

Dooper 58 from Oak Park, you have a problem with racism so you should have enough to keep you busy.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 26th, 2012 8:53 PM

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park, any time you use torture, the results will be a lie to stop the torturing.

rj from Oak Park  

Posted: May 26th, 2012 2:13 PM

James, Durbin and his democratic party is not the party of your grandmother. They have devolved into socialism/marxism. If Limbaugh,Fox, etc. didn't exist this would still be a fact. This ideology doesn't improve life for "the common good" - history proves just the opposite. Yet they still call themselves progressives. Laughable, if it weren't so sad - can't you see the irony?!

Dooper 58 from Oak Park  

Posted: May 26th, 2012 12:34 PM

No, I think Mr Hefner is correct in this instance. Durbin, despite his down-home nice guy persona, is deep down a '60s liberal who loaths our military. Nice try, though, James...another typical liberal tactic. Through out the "racist" label to someone you don't agree with instead of actually thinking & debating the substance of an argument. Sorry, also, but the "Cheney solution" as you put it, was not torture IMHO. You have way too much MSNBC in your diet, James. Open your mind! Peace my friend!

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: May 26th, 2012 8:54 AM

Sensory deprivation was used by Janet Reno with Bill Clintons permission on about 100 innocent people at Waco.How does waterboarding make somedne a racist?

James  

Posted: May 26th, 2012 8:24 AM

@Hefner--looks like you got it wrong again. The comments were made relating to the torturing of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay--waterboarding, sensory deprivaton--you know, the Cheney solution. Hefner you seem to be an apologist for extremists of of the right--Rush Limbaugh and, if memory serves, the racists at St. Giles School when you were on the Board and an alumnus.

John Butch Murtagh from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: May 25th, 2012 2:18 PM

I think Durbin is an excellent senator and would vote for him again, but my experience is that his constituent services are badly lacking. Last year after waiting two months, his office replied with a letter (addressed to me) on a totally different subject. I sent a letter letting them about their mistake. Six weeks later they replied with a boiler plate statement.

Dan Hefner from Oak Park  

Posted: May 23rd, 2012 8:23 AM

When Burbin commented that our troops in the Middle East were no better the Nazis, he showed his true colors. Of course Durbin never stepped up and join the military to serve his country. Dicky was too busy at Georgetown maintaing his college deferrment to think of joining the Army. This elitist would rather have his arse kissed in the United States Senate rather then serve be a lowly trooper. Durbin is a prime example of why this country needs term limits. He is a joke and self absorbed.

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