Oak Park public health board opposes handgun restrictions

Citizen group issues preliminary recommendations

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By Anna Lothson

Staff Reporter

The Oak Park Board of Health was tasked by village trustees with reviewing options for handgun regulation in the village after the 2010 U.S. Supreme Court decision that overturned Oak Park's handgun ban. Meeting April 23, the health board reached preliminary recommendations that the village not pursue specific regulations such as a handgun registry or mandatory handgun training.

The board's review process will continue in the coming months and the village board will not receive final recommendations on the subject until late summer or into the fall. The health board's recommendations are advisory. The final decisions are left to the village trustees.

Seven draft proposals were discussed at the health board. These consisted of a local handgun registry; mandatory training requirements for handgun owners; mandatory requirements for handgun storage or use of trigger locks; mandatory reporting of lost or stolen guns within 72 hours; licensing of gun dealers; limitations on location of gun dealers; and voluntary education campaigns and other initiatives.

Of the seven proposals on the table, the board indicated it was against all except two. Board members expressed support for a proposal regarding voluntary education campaigns and other initiatives. The only proposal the board did not indicate a position on was the mandatory reporting of lost or stolen handguns within 72 hours.

The draft report from the health board will now be reviewed over the next month by Simone Boutet, the acting village attorney.

The draft report stated that while most members of the health board "prefer to live in a community free from firearms, the OPBH recommends against most legislation that mandates registries, licensing and regulations within the jurisdiction of Oak Park."

A number of reasons were discussed as to why they recommended against implementing such proposals, but a majority were focused on a lack of evidence indicating that implementing the policies would have an impact on public safety, according to the draft report. Other reasons to recommend against adopting the five policies centered on the fact that other statewide laws prevent efforts such as a local handgun registry.

As for the proposal of mandatory reporting of lost or stolen guns within 72 hours, the board suggested not recommending for or against the issue, but let the village board lobby state officials to pass a law on this matter so it would be dealt with in all communities.

Margaret Provost-Fyfe, Oak Park's public health director is the staff liaison on the health board. She said in an interview Thursday that each of the draft proposals will be looked at as a way for the health board to decide how the village could mitigate the issue.

"They are really concerned about violence as a public safety issue," she said, "and how [legislation] can impact violence in the community."

David Schweig, a 76-year-old Oak Park resident who supports gun ownership, and has long opposed the village's hadgun ban, recently spearheaded the group Oak Parkers for Saving Lives — which has around 20 members and said the group supports the health board's initial conclusions. He's in favor of the issue moving forward so it doesn't spend more of the village's time and money.

"The Board of Health did a bang-up job of analyzing each and every point," he said in a recent phone interview. "The group did a very thorough job."

Despite his optimistic views on the board's recommendations, he's concerned the village board won't move forward with the same thoughts. He worries the issue could be dragged out for years, which he thinks would have adverse effects on responsible residents.

"Why wouldn't they move ahead right now?" he asked. "The board of health couldn't be much clearer. … Who does a gun ordinance affect? [It affects] you and me; the people following the laws."

Overall, Provost-Fyfe said the board's findings and recommendations were based on more than two years of research that stems from evidence published in medical and health journals and studies.

Moving forward, she said the language of the draft proposals will be looked at and discussed by the board at a future meeting. The health board's recommendations will then be relayed to the village board once proper documents are prepared and a procedural vote is taken by the health board. The village board, however, may not see the issue on its agenda until sometime in the fall, she said.

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NOPE 2012 from Oak Park  

Posted: May 1st, 2012 2:23 PM

Ah, there's my pal Tom from RF again. Sorry, sir. The exaltation of ignorance is the sole property of the post-JFK Democrat Party...you know, the one that, under the ruse of a "war on poverty" put minorities into awful housing projects and even worse public schools, for the sole purpose of having them, in LBJ's words, "voting Democratic for the next 200 years." We are indeed a lesser country because of that.

OPRFDad  

Posted: May 1st, 2012 1:08 PM

The majority of Americans do have health care available to them. It was only through the bait and switch Healthcare reform that we've moved from "let's make sure everyone has coverage" to "let's force everyone to pay for coverage." Health reform has one purpose: get non-baby boomers to pay for the health coverage of baby boomers - cause, you know, they haven't paid their fair share all along. But, that's what a voting block gets you in this country - overriding the rights of the minority group.

Tom from River Forest  

Posted: May 1st, 2012 12:36 PM

It is really sad that someone thinks that a basic knowledge of our history is "elitist", just sayin' That is truly the legacy of the modern Republican Party, the exaltation of ignorance. We are a lesser country because of it.

Q  

Posted: May 1st, 2012 12:31 PM

Just Sayin' from Oak Park, if you ever need any assistance don't expect it from Romney. The majority of American's do like to know they will have health care available to them.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 1st, 2012 12:28 PM

Ray Simpson from Oak Park, the great bail out of the car companies gave car companies money to start manufacturing in China, because China has money to buy cars.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 1st, 2012 12:26 PM

Cont... Once Iraq had it's new Embassy built inside the green zone and the troops completed their job of securing areas, there was no need to continue the amount of Men and Women in Iraq, because it was time to boost up Afghanistan, to try and get control of areas. Iraq and Afghanistan never have been declared as an official war, and winning a war has different meanings, but I hope you understand that the only thing won at this time is areas are secured.

Just Sayin' from Oak Park  

Posted: May 1st, 2012 12:24 PM

Tom - I'd rather suffer from "inadequate "elitist" education" than be diminished to the brain-dead, brain-washed being that you appear to be - the result of environment or genetics, or both - same result.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: May 1st, 2012 12:23 PM

Jim Coughlin, didn't blame you at all. You mis-understood the point. The point was if you get all of your information from the media you prefer, you will obviously be getting everything you want to believe to be true. It's better to know both sides of media and make your own decision. Obama didn't end any war in Iraq. That had a time table already that Obama followed and no war is just ended by saying we are done except for Viet Nam, when you just pick up and go. Cont...

Tom from River Forest  

Posted: May 1st, 2012 11:35 AM

My error was attributable to a typo, yours was attributable to either an inadequate education or a near solipsism that elevates the importance of anything that you care about and diverges from reality. Will you next tell us about the transcendent dangers of those UN black helicopters?

Just Sayin' from Oak Park  

Posted: May 1st, 2012 10:46 AM

Hey Tom - And now we have bad grammar on this board. How about we stick to the present state of affairs.

Tom from river forest  

Posted: May 1st, 2012 10:18 AM

Man there is a lot of bad historians on this board. I am just saying that some of us should read about the election of 1864. If McClellan wins, the Civil War ends with southern independence. Now there is an important election. And based on the hyperbole in some of these posts, some people might need others to make decisions for them from womb to tomb.

Just Sayin' from Oak Park  

Posted: May 1st, 2012 10:09 AM

Sorry, if I can digress one last time here. This election will be THE most important every held. The choice for a free America where you make your own decisions about your life and your family, free from govt intrusion along w/a better chance of solving the debt issue in your lifetime for the sake of the next generation OR the choice of a nanny state where decisions are made for you from womb to tomb w/restrictions at every turn w/the debt forever mounting & unsustainable.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: May 1st, 2012 9:13 AM

Back to Topic - we were fine til 4/29 then the usual participants went national. I am guilty and apologize for assisting the migration of subject matter. Get a spirited conversation going and it just sort of evolves and we do place blame for local issues on Washington. Sorry again

Back to topic People  

Posted: May 1st, 2012 8:40 AM

Title of this article: Oak Park public health board opposes handgun restrictions. Why does the conversation always have to go to national politics. Bush liked guns but Cheny couldnt use one correctly. Obama doesnt like guns but properly should considering where he lived. Go figure.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: May 1st, 2012 8:22 AM

WOW Jim! Why did I know that you will be voting for Obama? The reasons you list are right out of the memo from Axilrod, but I give you credit for making lemonade but fear you may have added way to much sugar. The averting of the 2nd great depression was started under Bush and Obamas regulatory and bureaucratic oversight has retarded the recovery by decades. How does giving GM to the unions help anyone? George Bush had scheduled that Iraq withdrawal and Obama went against his military brain trust in its execution. DADT was also done without the blessing of the Generals. 2 ladies on SCOTUS - Cagen's question about sending buckets of medicare money to the states was laughable. The current revealed memos from Paneta, about Ben Laden, indicate that Obama left weasel room to blame the admiral if things go wrong - now thats leadership. Healthcare is an abomination that is hated by most of the citizens. Economic growth of less than 2% is a real shining star. Historic recoveries have always exceeded 4% and this one would have as well absent the NLRB - EPA and all of the other big government overseers. Is the DNC providing you Koolaide after they get your vote in November?

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: May 1st, 2012 12:27 AM

We've reached the end,"Just Sayin' from Oak Park". It's clear to me where you stand. Obviously, not my cup of tea. To respond to your personal observations relating to all of the postings submitted by me to this forum; I will definitely go on the record for President Barack Obama. High Five!

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: May 1st, 2012 12:12 AM

Wow, Q! That's one wacky bit of storytelling you're spinning. Not really sure if I get your point or how I'm to blame. And why. Regarding Barack Obama, he has been a good president with a record that includes averting a second Great Depression, rescuing the Amercian auto industry, ending the war in Iraq, repealing "don't ask, don't tell, calling the hit on bin Laden, nominating 2 women to the Supreme Court, reforming health care and overseeing two years of economic growth. He gets my vote.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 11:23 PM

Cont... Or what you both witnessed. Facts can easily be twisted to fit anyone. Obama has not been a good President, and Mitt Romney is not friendly to people unless they are very rich. Those are the facts, so who do you vote for, and that is what's wrong with a two party system. No politicians wants to be work for the people, any longer because they know people don't expect them too. Don't blame the politicians, blame yourself.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 11:20 PM

Cont... Lets write the story of the bicyclist for Just Sayin' so he can have the "Facts" instead of what he witnessed. "Bicyclist has difficult time riding on brick road because of his lack of experience". Now that blames the bicyclist and there is nothing wrong with the brick road. Now for Jim, "After having 100 bicyclist ride on a brick road, it had been determined bikes are very difficult to ride on brick roads". Now you two guys can decide what to believe from what you read, Cont....

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 11:17 PM

Just Sayin' from Oak Park and Jim Coughlin, do you both read different views and get your information that way? What is wrong with just paying attention with what is going on in politics and make up your own decision. If you are watching a person ride a bicycle down a brick road and notice that the bicycle is very difficult to control, do you need to read the "Facts" from a media source? Cont...

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 11:13 PM

Ray Simpson from Oak Park, I was giving some thought about you saying Obama blaming Bush, but then I got to the part where you said Bush didn't blame Clinton. Bush and his cronies did nothing but blame Clinton for everything for 4 years and it worked. Where do you think Obama got the idea from. If it worked for Bush, it would surely work for Obama.

Just Sayin' from Oak Park  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 10:00 PM

Jim - Sorry I had to be the one to break the news to you but, yes, McCain & Graham are Republicans In Name Only. You just might be the only one unaware of this. Our party is diverse - we don't all walk in lock step on all issues as your party seems to. Is your condescending conservative name dropping somehow suppose to discredit my points of view? Of course not! So who represents your ideology best? I've never observed you answering a direct question - only to respond w/another question.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 8:31 PM

John McCain and Lindsey Graham are liberals? That would certainly be surprising news to the GOP and both senators, Just Sayin'. How about Charles Krauthammer? He's a regular contributor on Fox News. I did some checking and learned that Rep. Michele Bachmann agrees with you that the United States should not engage in a dialogue with the Muslim Brotherhood. Is it fair to say that you and the congresswoman are in agreement on a majority of the issues of the day? Who else best represents your views?

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 6:46 PM

We've butted heads before, Ray. Nothing either us say is going to change the other guys' opinion. I often refer to FactCheck.org and can offer that the service is able to demonstrate that both parties engage in telling the one side of a story that works for them.

Just Sayin" from Oak Park  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 6:30 PM

Jim - Are you serious? McCain and Graham (RINOS Supreme) re Muslim Brotherhood - easily duped. No credibility with conservatives. Their need for love and affection knows no bounds - they're just souped up Liberals. SuperPacs dangerous - last I heard Obama on board with that too. He must be such a disappointment.

Just Sayin' from Oak Park  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 6:07 PM

Jim - You are mistaken - we do not parrot the right commentators - they just happen to voice what we have concluded on our own and know to be the truth. And who do you parrot - Huffin'Puffin Post, Media Matters/George Soros, the farthest left wing demagogues in your party who distort, distract and destroy as they pillage this country. Obama is not a capitalist but I do believe that if he proclaimed himself to be a Communist you would pretty much of OK with that.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 5:39 PM

Jim, Shame on you for taking that childish justification for your guys incompetence! Five trillion dollars of failed policy and it is Bushes fault - who are you trying to fool? The most oppressive administration in history and you claim someone else pooped behind the couch. Pelosie(D) and Reid(D) controlled congress for 2 years before the reign of Obama and yet you guys say Obama had no idea how bad things were. Don't the people on your side speak? It is time for Obama and the "my administration, administration" grow up and admit that they have failed at everything they have tried. Driving the bus for 4 years and running red lights is someone else's fault? Did Reagan say a word about the mess left by Carter - - -NO! Did W43 say a word about the mess left by Clinton - - -NO! Yet we are expected to believe the biggest liar in modern history who twists every incident to make someone else look guilty. Sorry but your guy isn't fooling me. Remember I was the one who responded to "Change" with from what to what.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 5:03 PM

Q,I too am disappointed that President Obama has not reversed Bush-era policies. The issues are complicated and in some cases do require cooperation from the legislative branch. I will stay the course rather than support Romney and a return to disastrous domestic and foreign policies. Of bigger concern is the damage done to the democratic process by the Supreme Court's ruling that gave rise to the clandestine super pacs. Very dangerous! Same goes for those nationwide efforts to suppress the vote

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 4:49 PM

Just Sayin' left out a few important facts while expressing outrage over the White House meeting with the Muslin Brotherhood. Those same representatives also held meetings in Washington with republican Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham. Conservative commentator Charles Krauthammer correctly pointed out that it is in our best interests to establish a dialogue with the group that controls the Egyptian parliament. So much for the truth overload Just Sayin' claims to be offering.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 4:48 PM

Jim Coughlin, fully agree that people who get their information from Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News, are getting entertainment information and should never be used as truth. At the same time, Obama has not closed Gitmo, keeps things Bush started, and wants to be President again. Now people only can say, It's either him or the other guy who doesn't like middle class and poor people.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 4:46 PM

Jim Coughlin, I know about how the big boys put together the deals and then sold them off as being terrific investments and then walking away. What I don't understand is if the government paid back the banks then who is out money? It seems no one, so why do people pay on their mortgages when the banks have already been paid for the bad loans? It doesn't make sense so I think I have it wrong because that would mean the banks are making money on loans that have been paid for by the government.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 4:14 PM

Q, you and I are on the same page regarding accountability and the banking industry's role in the collapse of the housing market. As I understand it, what the mortgage brokers did was unethical, immoral and deceitful. But amazingly, they may have acted within the limits of the law. Not too surprising when you consider the influence lobbyists have in the process. Criminal prosecutions are still possible and there are state and federal task forces looking into that very question. Fingers crossed.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 3:58 PM

The picture I'm getting, Just Sayin', is that you tend to parrot what you're told by Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. Say "No!" to their cracker. Focus on cronyism in the Bush White House that occured with billions in no-bid contracts Cheney steered to Halliburton to supply our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Or how an illegal invasion of Iraq didn't pay for itself as they promised it would nor were our soldiers greeted as liberators. The fact is Obama inherited a mess at home and abroad

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 3:55 PM

Jim Coughlin, Maybe you can explain this because I don't understand it. The banks needed to be bailed out because of all of the loans to unqualified home buyers. If the banks got their money back, why are homeowners still paying on those loans? I don't understand it so I'm not trying to say I do. Just some explanation would be helpful.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 3:32 PM

President Obama is a capitalist, Ray. Look closely at his record. He continued the Bush tax cuts. Supports free trade agreements with South Korea, Panama and Columbia. He rescued the US auto industry. Like Bush, Obama supported the bank bailouts but with regulations of the financial markets to prevent another collapse. The healthcare reform act is designed to control out-of control medical costs that hurt small businesses. Claims he is a marxist, socialist or communist are not reality based.

Just Sayin' from Oak Park  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 3:03 PM

Jim & John - My main source for information to reach my conclusions are from Obama himself. Libya and Egypt - as in the Muslim Brotherhood getting a foothold in those governments - Sharia law, anti-gay, anti- womens' rights, beheadings, stonings. Yeah, I call that anti-freedom. Members of MB just had some meetings in WH last week. Crony capitalism - GM, Solyndra, Unions - pretty hostile to anything private. Are you getting the picture?

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 2:53 PM

OPRFDad, I may be wrong about this but isn't the insurance industry the biggest business there is? Isn't Obama's health care plan really saying that all insurance companies will be required to insure everyone? Isn't there also the part that Obama wants everyone insured? Isn't the insurance industry so large that they have laws changed to favor them? If you are in the insurance industry and you now can look forward to everyone paying you for insurance, doesn't that make Obama pro business?

OPRFDad  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 2:49 PM

Obama continues the government overreach of GWB while also being one of the most anti-business presidents in history. The amount of regulation and roadblocks to business that he has overseen, including Health Reform, are overwhelming. If you work for a living or if you have children who you one day hope to work for a living, there is no way that you can support Obama. Families have experienced a reduction in income of $2,000/yr since Obama took office, and his policies aren't helping that.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 2:30 PM

Cont... goes after the communist party by arresting them, and phone taps and opening mail of German citizens. The citizens then knew if anything they said was against Hitler, the goon squad would take them away. Hitler moved quickly, our government is moving a bit slower. Started with 911, body checks at air ports, cell phone, texts, e-mails and warrantless searches allowed. Now who said Obama knows the laws of the Constitution, and for those who say it's the democrats or republicans, its both.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 2:26 PM

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park, I'm certainly glad you pay attention because people don't understand what is happening. This is a mess that the government is setting up so citizens can be detained for any length of time much like the "Detainees" in Gitmo. Just need to say the special words, "A person of interest", and the person is off the street and other fellow citizens will now be very careful. After becoming chancellor, a building blows up and Hilter says the communist did it. He then Cont..

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 2:18 PM

To John Butch Muragh: Check the NDAA, a law Obama signed into effect allowing the military in country to hold and detain citizens w/o their Constitutional and legal rights. His statement after he signed was that he s sure some president down the line will use the law to violate citizens rights

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 1:20 PM

Jim, a lot of us come to the same conclusion as Just sayin, about Obamas distain for private sector business. Read recent EPA, NLRB, Obamacare and Buffet rule decisions and tell me that he is any way interested in the little guy. The recent SCOTUS presentations by the solicitor general have made even the liberal justices scratch their heads. The overwhelming siding with the major public sector unions has to prove something. In the GM deal, how come private investors lost everything and Obama gave most everything to the AFLCIO. Czars who don't report to congress is a new attack on the people representatives and the little guys voice in our government. When you get that rosy glow of pride in the "My administration, administration" take a few moments and listen to Joe Biden and tell me that you don't have to rethink your opinion about the competence at the top.

John Butch Murtagh from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 12:35 PM

Ask Libya and General Motors if President Obama is anti-freedom and hostile to the private sector.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 12:22 PM

I guess we'll both head off now in different directions, Just Sayin'. Not sure where you are getting the information that allows you to reach the conclusion that President Obama is anti-freedom and hostile to the private sector. I've heard that same nonsense spewed by Sarah Palin but hope that she's not a source you trust for facts.

Just Sayin' from Oak Park  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 11:47 AM

Jim - Sorry for the truth overload - 2nd Amendment/Fast&Furious, Executive orders - yes it is mind boggling and hard to keep track of. You can continue to believe this anti-freedom administration which is hostile to the private sector and our Constitutional freedoms - His actions speak louder than his words you refuse to question. Just admit you have no problem with these realities and we don't need to have any further discussions about where this country is headed - off the cliff.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 9:20 AM

You changed your tune, Just Saying' from Oak Park. The "imminent danger" you cited in the 4/28 post related to an unsubstaniated charge of the Obama adminstration's "mission to subvert 2nd amendment by any means necessary". Two days later, your warning of "imminent danger" now pertains to "unprecedented expansion of Executive branch powers". If you want me to "come up for air" to discuss these issues; you're going to have to stay focused.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 9:06 AM

Ray-I'm sure you are aware that President Obama has publicly stated that he did not authorize Operation Fast and Furious. It's seems a stretch to try to connect a failed ATF program involving illegal gun trafficking to a some secret and bizarre plan that would result in any restrictions on American citizens' rights accorded by the 2nd amendment. There is no reliable evidence to support that such a scheme has ever existed.

Also saying.  

Posted: April 30th, 2012 8:55 AM

"Obama's tenure has resulted in the unprecedented expansion of Executive branch powers." Who was teh preseident (and more imprtantly the vice president) during the years 2001-2009? Were executive powwers not monumentaly expanded? Is this why no Republic candidate dare mention GWB?

Just Sayin' from Oak Park  

Posted: April 29th, 2012 10:53 PM

Jim - Sorry, but you need to come up for air occasionally from the Huffin&Puffin Post to see what is going on here. 1500 guns still unaccounted for. Obama's tenure has resulted in the unprecedented expansion of Executive branch powers. His over reach should alarm liberals and conservatives as these practices will likely be continued by future presidents of both parties. We have a right to expect better of a supposed professor of Constitutional law. There lies the imminent danger now & future.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: April 29th, 2012 8:35 PM

Jim - being fair about your fairness - I understand the gunwalking program was started under Bush and abandoned because of the possibility of losing track of the guns. The underlaying reason for the program changed under Obama. I gather they planned to use it to demand more stringent gun controls on US citizens. The congress is holding Holders feet to the fire and we may see a separations of powers crisis ala Nixon watergate.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: April 29th, 2012 7:25 PM

To be fair, Just Sayin from Oak Park. The ATF began the gunwalking program in 2006 during the Bush Administration. I doubt that the Brady project would agree with you regarding the claim that President Obama's "mission is to subvert the 2nd amendment". There's been no report of a shortage of handguns in the US and more are on the way. You really shouldn't worry about any "imminent danger from within". They're plenty of guns for all.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: April 29th, 2012 4:31 PM

Parker - are you addressing a real problem or just imposing your will upon citizens you disagree with? I seem to notice that there are few or none of the problems you are anguishing about. The gun problem in Oak Park is from people who won't follow your rules since they don't have the right to own, handle or use guns. We have strict rules about felons and underage citizens using guns. You are coming at a non-existent problem again from a different direction. We have spent enough village treasure tilting at this windmill. Direct your effort toward the courts and judges who refuse to put punks and gang bangers away - that effort might get you some help from the NRA as well as support from we shooting sport enthusiasts.

Parker from Oak Park  

Posted: April 29th, 2012 4:19 PM

Canada has the courage to enforce strict gun laws that include mandated storage of firearms in locked safes inside homes. They enforce it with required inspections. Would that we had the guts to pass such statutes here in OP. Second Amendment supporters right to bear arms would not be infringed, hunters would have access to the firearms, and the general public and law enforcement would be protected to a greater degree than we have now with guns and ammunition united in the bed stand.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: April 28th, 2012 8:07 PM

Just sayin' - Our liberal community took a hit in the pocketbook defending a toothless anti-gun ordinance. Now the new thrust is to claim health issues. Good for the public health commission for seeing the folly of this recent effort. I bet we could find a fair number of NRA range safety officers to conduct meaningful classes for interested residents at some local range. I am sure that GUNZ-KILL would find fault with this idea but that might be the most positive promotion we could hope for. I will volunteer to help.

Just Sayin' from Oak Park  

Posted: April 28th, 2012 6:54 PM

Civil Request - Ever hear of Fast & Furious? Obama's/Holder's idea of gun control "under the radar". Intent to disarm Americans by shutting down legal gun dealers when govt allowed 2500 guns to walk from straw buyers into hands of criminals & blaming rise of gun violence to US gun shops. Back-fired w/death of Brian Terry & scores of Mexicans. This administration's mission to subvert 2nd Amendment by any means necessary. I call that imminent danger from within.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: April 28th, 2012 10:49 AM

G from Oak Park, the answer is not money. The answer is people changing instead of accepting things as they are.

G from Oak Park  

Posted: April 28th, 2012 10:28 AM

Q, what are your answers to your questions? I am guessing it is MONEY. It is the answer to everything else.

Civil Request  

Posted: April 28th, 2012 10:26 AM

Paddy Boy believes our culture and country are in imminent danger of being destroyed or taken over. I would be grateful for some factual support of this (who is coming to destroy us? 9/11 was ten years ago). I thank Brian for his input as to my other question. Is Oak Park West Humboldt Park? No. (and don't say, "not yet" because that is a fear-mongering lie.)

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: April 28th, 2012 9:22 AM

Jim Coughlin, where do drugs come from? Why aren't the borders in our Country, secured? Why are the farmers in Afghanistan allowed to grow poppy fields? Why do people sell drugs?

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: April 28th, 2012 9:18 AM

Ray Simpson from Oak Park, in bad neighborhoods there is a very common problem of people not trusting the Police so they don't call them, and people in those neighborhoods say that Police are on the side of the gangs. This is something that has carried over for many decades. What if the people of Oak Park decided it was a bad idea to call the Police? Police Departments in towns are degraded when people in the town don't expect professionalism.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: April 28th, 2012 12:04 AM

Jim- That is a scary tale. 15 years ago I worked at Division and Homan. Bad then- must be horrible now. The problem is the drugs and drug money - neighbors live in terror. This paper has lots of people commenting on the Florida Neighborhood watch incident and the sad results of things going wrong. Read that article and you start to see why armed watch groups form and the after dark terror that controls residents lives.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 10:53 PM

Ray, after reading Mike Dumke's report I'm not sure the police and City Hall will be able to restore any significant measure of order to the area. The drug traffickers have seized control. People trying to raise a family and be responsible citizens are losing the struggle to survive amid violence, crime and complete chaos. I hope you get a chance to read the report.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 10:12 PM

If they didnt have a gun there wouldnt be a story or discussion for that matter!!!

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 9:03 PM

Jim - If they even look - just one more pile of paperwork to contend with.

Jim Coughlin  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 8:37 PM

If they catch 'em, Ray. The police are outmanned and outgunned in a lot of neighborhoods. Read the report on West Humboldt Park in this week's issue of The Reader.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 8:29 PM

GUNZ - and when they catch the shooters I bet they are juveniles or make bail and disappear. If they forfeit juvenile status and were put away forever they would not do it again. Gun felons should feel the full weight of the law and not get the protection of age.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 7:51 PM

5 Kids shot today at busstop in Chicago. Chalk up another great story thanks to our wonderful 2nd amendment. Gee it comes in handy soooo often.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 7:49 PM

To A Civil Request: Google the words "Court decision upholding police are not liable to protect a citizen"

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 7:42 PM

To A Civil Request: The courts have decided that the police are not liable in anyway to protect a citizen. Exact case escapes me, maybe someone can chime in with the court decision. thats why you cant file a civil suit against the police if you are a victim.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 6:49 PM

Paddy Bay maybe incorrect in regards to Great Britain, however look what happened to the Jews in Germany when they were forced to give up their firearms. Also, armed citizens of Great Britain were called up for defense of the homeland armed with their private firearms after Dunkirk.

Mike from Oak Park  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 5:57 PM

Handguns are like condoms, better to have one and not need it, then need it and not have one.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 5:30 PM

Mr Desoto I hope you meant that the 2nd amendment does not guarantee felons the right to own or use guns. The NRA even supports that exclusion. Tom - seems to me the brits were in pretty dire straights till we joined in. Ike was the man on D-day to the chagrin of Monty. Those of us who participate in shooting sports don't have a problem with people who choose other activities and we only ask for a return of the courtesy. Keep in mind that our own Earnest Hemmingway claimed that professional golf and competitive pistol shooting were the most mentally challenging sports on earth. In outdoor pistol shooting you shoot one handed from half a football field distance at a bullseye 8" in diameter. That is tough - challenging and a hoot when you have a good day.

A Civil Request  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 2:58 PM

Paddy Boy believes our culture and country are in imminent danger of being destroyed or taken over. I would be grateful for some factual support of this (who is coming to destroy us? 9/11 was ten years ago) and the assertion that poice is not responsible for protecting individuals "in modern times."

Tom from River Forest  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 2:57 PM

Paddy Boy - So Great Britain, which has long had one of the most pervasive gun control regimes, dating as far back as 1909, lost WW II? Hmmmm I do have to re-read my history books.

Paddy Boy  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 2:46 PM

You all need to hit the history books one more time! Countries and cultures that did not possess or allow their citizens to own firearms were always the first to be destroyed and/or taken over in time of conflict. Moreover, in modern times police are responsible for protecting groups - not individuals.

Roy DeSoto  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 2:26 PM

Mr. Simpson, you and your Constitution-affirming brethren are a beacon of tolerance and civility. Gun regulation is for sissies, and you have shown that anyone who disagrees can and should be treated with dignity and respect. Please continue to find other ways in which the others in this god-forsaken town can be shown to respect the Framers. Guns for felons is permitted under the 2nd amendment. Who is going to stick up for these citizens under the Constitution?

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 1:38 PM

Clancy - civility sure isn't your long suit is it? These columns don't change many minds about the issues but you zealots show your true colors and your neighbors can see how intolerant you are. We have a point of view that is as valid as yours and mostly better stated. Poor loser or just plain loser!

Clancy Wiggum  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 1:15 PM

Ray, read what I wrote. I know you "gun freaks" (I dont care what you call yourselves)have the current law on your side. So, be gracious winners and go away. I dont want to spend the money fighting your absolute dismissal of any sort of regulation proposed. If anti-gun zealots will drop it, will you all please crawl into your heavily-fortified bunkers while you wait for the hordes to overrun us? Please? (I am saying please.)Again, please go away. You are worse than Mann parents!

Practical Doctorate Guy  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 1:00 PM

@@practoral (sic): Sorry to disappoint, but I have neither been to a gun website before nor do I own a gun.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 12:36 PM

John, I shot with a regimental pistol team in Hawaii 1959-1960. Every privately owned hand gun in the state had a card at the Honolulu PD. My card listed my 22, 38 and 45, serial numbers and make and model. When we shot in matches off post the armorer would call police department and indicate my gun box was "in transit" and the card was so filed. Supposedly the PD could tell you where every gun on the island was at any time. Back then it was a police issue not a political one. The system was clean and well run so the armorer was the only one troubled on our team.

C. Loyd  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 12:11 PM

This is a start but what we really need is state wide concealed carry. "Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at Salt Lake grocery store" http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/conceal-and-carry-stabbing-salt-lake-city-smiths/NDNrL1gxeE2rsRhrWCM9dQ.cspx

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 12:10 PM

Clancy - I prefer 2nd amendment supporter or trained marksman (NRA expert in fact)or Illinois Pistol Team member but you choose "Gun Nut" As usual, without any factual proof you choose to call names. We are not challenging your rights and wish you would leave ours alone. The hand wringers in Oak Park challenged the constitution and lost and it cost all of us $800,000. Is that a well you wish to drink from again? Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

John Dewey  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 11:43 AM

I hunt, but don't own a handgun, and would support a handgun registry at a state/national level only. It's somewhat ridiculous to believe this can be effectively legislated within the borders of Oak Park. The Oak Park Village Board needs to stick to Oak Park issues. Gun control advocates need to focus at the state level. Don't impose another layer of regulation on just this 4.7 sq mi patch of Illinois, as it would have no affect on the problem of handgun violence in general.

Clancy Wiggum  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 10:50 AM

No restrictions. The gun nuts won. Ignore them and maybe they will confront and shoot each other. Ignore them and they will stop spouting their ignorant fear-mongering bile. Perhaps. Give them whatever they want and see if they will finally just shut the F--- up already.

@practoral  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 10:31 AM

Those ads on the website are according to YOUR own personal interests based on your own website history. You must be a gun nut. I've never had those. I wonder why. Been on any gun sites lately?

@GC  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 10:28 AM

There is more regulation on fire extinguishers than guns. Ever see those little tags attached to them. Ask OPFD.

Gun Control means using both hands  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 9:51 AM

Handguns are good to have in case you need them. I also own fire extinguishers. I hope to never need them, but take comfort that they are available in case I need them.

Dooper 58 from oak park  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 9:42 AM

How about we simply enforce the myriad of federal and state laws already on the books. Why do we need any additional restrictions? I'd be happy with a "commit a crime w/a gun, go straight to prison for 10 years w/no parole" law of some sort, but that's better done at the state level. Put more $$ into the Police dept.

Renee Zoltowski from Oak Park  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 9:37 AM

I was happy about the handgun ban, in fact my ex-husband was on the citizens board to ban them years ago. I actually think they should have more restrictions. I am not against people having rifles or hunting guns, but hand guns are for only one thing, to kill people.

Mark from Oak Park  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 9:03 AM

I'm not sure why they are rejecting a training requirement. You have to pass a driving test to drive a car, you should have to pass a basic gun safety and handling test to own a gun. It's just common sense. Beyond that, most regulation is probably pointless.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 8:46 AM

To Phd: Come to think of it ,I know two Nobel Peace Prize winners that have guns in their Home. Al Gore, who invented the internet, and Barack Obama both have Secret Setvice agents with them who carry guns in their home.

Ernest T. Bass  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 8:46 AM

I like a gun because it makes me feel more powerful and it makes up for my, ahem, shortcomings. I also carry it to avoid the constant rapes and abductions that Tom Koz intimates as happening CONSTANTLY here in Oak Park. So, so many rapes and abductions here in Oak Park.

Tom Koz  

Posted: April 27th, 2012 12:54 AM

All anti-gunners: Curious, IF someone is about to be attacked (example: a woman approached by a much larger man intent on abducting and raping her), and that someone is able to call 911 before/while it is happening ..... how quickly can they (she) expect Oak Park Police to arrive and save her???

Practical Doctorate Guy  

Posted: April 26th, 2012 11:55 PM

Best part of this is the Home Defense Association of America advertisement at the top of the webpage....I clicked, so WJ making some coin off the gun issue! Trainer/Gunz Kill must be livid!

PhD  

Posted: April 26th, 2012 11:02 PM

I dont believe the other Ph.D person. Especially in Oak Park. If you said Wicker Park or Hyde Park, Maybe! Did you just get the gun after the law passed?

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: April 26th, 2012 10:57 PM

To Hmmm: I arm myself because people are the problem.I fear no nuclear weapons because Oak Park is a nucllear weapons free zone.

someone@nowhere.net  

Posted: April 26th, 2012 10:27 PM

Carrying a gun is easier than carrying a cop.

Ph.D. with a gun from Oak Park, IL  

Posted: April 26th, 2012 9:48 PM

More educated people choose NOT to have firearms in their home? Well, as a Ph.D., and university professor living in Oak Park-- I like to be the exception to your anecdotal evidence!

Common Sense  

Posted: April 26th, 2012 9:18 PM

It's really simple. Q: Why do police and other law enforcement agencies have firearms? A: To defend themselves against bad guys. If the bad guys have weapons, why wouldn't you want the chance to defend yourself and your family? Guns aren't for everyone. If you don't like them, don't buy them. Alcohol causes more deaths per year than handguns. Fact!

Hmmm  

Posted: April 26th, 2012 9:06 PM

Brian, If people are the problem why do you arm yourself? I'm sure you arm yourself to fight fire with fire. If the enemy didnt have a gun, would you still need one to protect yourself? What your view on ALL PARTS of the WORLD having DEADLY Nuclear Weapons? Should everyone have the same rights as the USA does?

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: April 26th, 2012 8:55 PM

People are problematic.They are deadly weapons.Things made to kill.Sometimes they get into the wrong hands.Sometimes they are used inappropriate situatations.People kill.

Concerned Oak Parker  

Posted: April 26th, 2012 8:43 PM

Guns are problematic. They are deadly weapons, things made to kill. Sometimes they get in the wrong hands. Sometimes they are used in inappropriate situations. Guns kill. I am very sorry to hear that the Village is not passing some regulations.

Mike from Oak Park  

Posted: April 26th, 2012 8:01 PM

Interesting Muriel...now is it your opposed to guns period or that guns are only for hunting? Your stance on that issue is foggy, like Mr.Hummm statement about Margaret and Barney, little voices inside your head maybe???

muriel schnierow from Oak Park il  

Posted: April 26th, 2012 7:54 PM

i am opposed to guns period .i favor a militia interpretation of the 2nd amendment -i refuse to concede victory to the NRA. Guns for hunting that is it. We can win but it takes courage.

Hmmm  

Posted: April 26th, 2012 7:48 PM

Is Margaret related to Barney? I hope they realize that most of the guns used in crimes are not registered and they have to originate from some place legally.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: April 26th, 2012 7:43 PM

How many Nobel Peace prize winners reside in Oak Park,cook County, Illinois and the USA?

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: April 26th, 2012 7:31 PM

PHD - I don't have clue but, I bet you don't either, Wring your hands and make up some neat statistic and hope no one like me says " Prove it! So Prove It!

Mike from Oak Park  

Posted: April 26th, 2012 7:29 PM

Being that we will never know the answer to that question.....moving on.

PhD  

Posted: April 26th, 2012 7:20 PM

More educated people choose NOT to have firearms in their homes. There is your education. How many Nobel Peace prize winners have guns in their homes?

Mike from Oak Park  

Posted: April 26th, 2012 7:11 PM

Lets be clear, the main ingredient for trouble is the uneducated human being. A firearm is nothing more then a tool, educate the people, that's what makes the difference.

Mike from Oak Park  

Posted: April 26th, 2012 7:03 PM

I believe that the lost or stolen idea is a good one. Other towns like Forest Park do not have a registration policy and it has worked very well.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: April 26th, 2012 6:58 PM

Hand Guns are the main ingredient for trouble. More guns will mean more trips to the ER.

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