Those union signs? Oak Park Democrats are behind them

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During the height of the battle between the state of Wisconsin and public employee unions earlier this year, an Illinois state senator decided to take a different stand here in Oak Park.

Residents may have noticed red signs popping up on Oak Park front lawns, proclaiming "UNION: STAND IN SOLIDARITY," signed by the Democratic Party of Oak Park and state Senator Don Harmon.

Reached last week, Harmon said he was approached by members of the local Democratic Party earlier this year, asked to support union rights. He helped make some of DPOP's funds available to print a couple of hundred signs, which are available at their office, 1243 N. Woodbine.

"It seemed reasonable," he said. "We always want to try to make sure the members of the Democratic Party of Oak Park have a voice in the party. We are very much an open organization and one that tries to serve our members' interests."

The controversial Wisconsin budget measure stripped public employees of many of their collective bargaining rights, required them to pay more for pensions and health care, and ceased the practice of deducting union dues directly from paychecks. The legislation is currently being challenged in court.

Harmon said he doubts such a law would ever be proposed in Illinois. The state is trying to take a more collaborative approach to address its budget crisis, he said. Those efforts include yet-to-be-passed legislation that makes it harder for teachers to strike and easier to lay off tenured teachers.

"I just don't think we have the same sort of animosity in Illinois that the governor of Wisconsin has brought to his state," said Harmon, who lives in Oak Park. "We would want to work collaboratively with public employees to try to make sure that the state stays responsible and effective."

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OP Resident  

Posted: April 28th, 2011 3:44 PM

Sorry, Interesting. I shouldn't have tagged as a partisan. I do think you are way off-base with the comparison between food and health. The farmers actually produce a product. The for-profit insurance companies contribute nothing to health care, except escalating costs. I support open enrollemt in Medicare. They shuffle papers and reap huge profits. I've enjoyed our exchanges. Enjoy your day.

Interesting from Oak Park  

Posted: April 28th, 2011 2:21 PM

@OPR. To begin, I don't get cable. Why do you assume that I'm caught up with things ("Fox News") that I've NEVER seen? I also wouldn't know the "Tea Party" if it hit me over the head. And if you have been reading my posts, which I wonder, I've made clear that this is a bi-partisan issue - which, of course, seems to elude you and many OP posters. Is food a commodity? Should only the govt provide it? What about gas for our cars? Along with health care, all of these are heavily regulated. Bye.

OP Resident  

Posted: April 28th, 2011 11:59 AM

Thanks those kind words, John. You are a mighty tough act to follow. MVP (most valuable poster) is an award you certainly deserve. Many times I've wanted to add a comment but found that I'd just wind up repeating what you, Patricia O'Shea and many other knowledgeable folks have posted. I'm really glad that the community debate continues post-election and thanks to WJ for providing this forum. The fact that on occasion we hear from David Pope, Ray Johnson and other local officials is a bonus.

OP Resident  

Posted: April 28th, 2011 11:44 AM

Your turn, Interesting. Will you call out FOx News, the Tea Party and GOP for focusing on nonsense over substance? Please read Matt Tiabbi's reports in Rolling Stone. He takes aim at both parties for their corrupt relationships with mutli-national corporations. We witnessed this during the debate on health care reform. Do you agree that health care is not a commodity and no one should profit from another's illness? The health insurance companies funding of town hall protests was shameful.

john murtagh from oak park  

Posted: April 28th, 2011 11:36 AM

Hey Oak Park Resident - just wanted to say that we miss you on all your other comment subjects while you are occupied on the union issue. I've enjoyed your union issue comments. are excellent and insightful and hope you can make some time for the rest of your fans.

Interesting from Oak Park  

Posted: April 28th, 2011 11:04 AM

@OPResident. I'm glad you've acknowledged, for first time, that "Dems are certainly" part of the problem. Prior to this statement, you were solely writing about "Karl Rove, Koch brothers, Gov Walker, Beck, Tea Party, Fox News, George Bush, Alaska, Red States" - and that was just on this thread!?! You were coming across, like so many others, as partisan hacks only interested in slanted news and insults (not you with the insults). I repeat, as Charles from OP wrote: these are "not D or R issues."

OP Resident  

Posted: April 28th, 2011 9:14 AM

You are welcome, Reality & Interesting. I do look to factcheck.org to learn who's distorting the facts or prone to exaggeration. Repubs seems to be the clear winners but Dems are certainly well-represented in this rogues gallery. A fair & honest debate on the issues is always productive. Social issues (reproductive rights, guns, gay marriage, flag pins, etc.,.) divert our attention & divide the electorate. As a result, there is no discussion re: campaign finance reform, defense spending, etc.,.

realitysux  

Posted: April 28th, 2011 1:28 AM

OP RESIDENT-Thanks for suggesting factcheck.org. Obviously you didn't since they clearly show you are WRONG Obama Misrepresents Ryan Plan http://factcheck.org/2011/04/obama-misrepresents-ryan-plan/

Interesting from Oak Park  

Posted: April 27th, 2011 4:24 PM

@OP Resident. Can you accuse the Koch brothers for this, too: http://www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2011/04/27/house_votes_to_limit_bargaining_on_health_care/. I wrote earlier on this post "change is coming!" (4/25, 12:38) and you and Carol reply with "Karl Rove," "GOP" and more. I and others write that this is NOT an R or D issue - and Carol insults. This is D's in Mass!?! Please, Carol, I don't need for you to reply with more insults, but I'd like to hear from OPR.

EFFW from Oak Park  

Posted: April 27th, 2011 12:23 PM

Look around you, the number of signs are growing day by day. The people are speaking out in support of middle class, bargaining rights and fair compensation to hard workers. Get over it!

OP Resident  

Posted: April 27th, 2011 1:28 AM

This not about clouding the issue, Charles. We've had different life experiences. I've spent years working in the public sector. Before the employees formed a union' each was on their own. The administration hired a company to survey staff and received back a report that stated the score was the lowest ever. Management promised changes but didn't deliver. Our union gave us a voice and we realized an improved working environment. We stand together. The employer I mention is the Village of Oak Park

Charles from OP  

Posted: April 26th, 2011 6:32 PM

@Tom from RF - Nice way to cloud the picture. I have read your posts - and they are not consistent. Have your borrowed your name? Also the name is Charles - not Chuck! You seem want to hide behind the RF - and really just put down anyone that has a DIFFERENT idea than President Obama. It would be great to have a discussion, debated thoughts - but seems you have just jumped in toady, to put down any alternitive thoughts. But I guess that is why you posted in this discussion on Unions

Tom from River Forest  

Posted: April 26th, 2011 2:17 PM

To kathleen from OP: There is a lot more to Ryan's plan than closing loopholes for the wealthy. The effect of his plan is to lower top end effective tax rates while raising lower and middle income effective tax rates. At bottom, he is attempting to chip radically away at the very idea of a progressive tax structure.

Op Resident  

Posted: April 26th, 2011 1:44 PM

Kathleen, there is a lot more to Paul Ryan's plan than closing a few loopholes. Listen to the Thom Hartman show on 820Am. It's broadcast weekday afternoons. I think you may enjoy it and might see the Ryan plan in a different light. If you are open to learning the facts about government finances, there are a number of excellent opinion pieces offered by Sen. Bernie Sanders. You can find them online.

kathleen from OP  

Posted: April 26th, 2011 1:08 PM

Paul Ryan is proposing eliminating tax loopholes for the wealthy -- what is wrong with that? His proposed budget is a great starting place. What are the Dems offering besides more "gimmes" and reckless spending to push America into bankruptcy?

OP Resident  

Posted: April 26th, 2011 12:36 PM

Tom is trying to get folks know the truth about Paul Ryan. That's important. Before you follow the leader; learn his game.

Tom from River Forest  

Posted: April 26th, 2011 12:29 PM

Interesting from Oak Park I disagree that it is even a staring point. It is a radical change in the relationship between the government and the people. And more to the point of its being unrealistic it doesn't even address SS, which you seem to think is the biggest problem. Obama's budget proposal calls for sacrifice from all, unlike Ryan's which only calls for sacrifice from the middle and lower class. Thus, it is a much more reasonable starting point for this debate. Ryan's is a nonstart.

OP Resident  

Posted: April 26th, 2011 12:21 PM

Interesting, choose your friends wisely. Right now you in the Koch Brothers camp. You do know that they are behind Walker's plans? I'm guessing you consider yourself a supporter of the Tea Party. Ignore the 1776 costumes and wacky signs and look it who bankrolled the "movement". The same corporate criminals who are responsible for so much of our economic troubles. Matt Taibbi has written several investigative reports for Rolling Stone exposing multi-national corporations and the Wall St. crooks.

Carol from Oak Park  

Posted: April 26th, 2011 12:05 PM

Heh. I like it when you insult me for being insulting. It tickles my sense of irony. I would note that, again, you've shot off on another tangent. Like jello, I tell ya.

Interesting from Oak Park  

Posted: April 26th, 2011 11:45 AM

@Carol. Alright, I'll make one last effort - and then, of course you'll insult. Anyway, Soc Sec does not, despite OPR claims, have any "surplus." They spent it. Gone. They are holding "special" T-bonds. How are they "redeemed?" Selling more debt (US T-bonds, etc). What did S&P announce last Monday? A "warning" that they were re-evaluating AAA ranking of US debt - because of size and no plan to address it. Is this good? No. Do you understand ANY of this? Do you mask your ignorance with insults?

Interesting from Oak Park  

Posted: April 26th, 2011 11:23 AM

@OP Resident. I already answered you on 4/25, 12:57 (noting FDR's position) & 12:08. You can add 4/24 @ 2:33, too. My turn. Will you acknowledge that D's, before Walker/R's were sworn in (the lame duck session), attempted their very controversial effort to ram thru labor contracts for municipal unions? Do you recall what stopped them? Answer: Dem majority leader in Senate. NOW they claim that they'll accept "shared sacrifice," but how can you trust them?

Carol from Oak Park  

Posted: April 26th, 2011 11:23 AM

See, Interesting, that's the thing...you don't actually engage in debate. You make one wild, unsupported claim after another, and when someone points it out, you move on to three or four more wild, unsupported claims. You're like a hydra. It isn't a debate, it's a wrestling match with a bowl of jello. You claim things that just aren't true, like below, when you basically say that U.S. Treasury bonds are worthless. I guess I should toss all my kids' bonds out in the trash then, huh?

OP Resident  

Posted: April 26th, 2011 10:56 AM

Okay, Interesting and OPRF Gap. Let's get back on topic, Union Yard Signs. Do you support Scott Walker's actions that strip collective bargaining rights for public employees?

Interesting from Oak Park  

Posted: April 26th, 2011 10:43 AM

@Tom. No one in DC thinks that Ryan's proposal is anything but a starting point for debate. I agree that it's not "realistic," but a necessary starting point for something that neither Bush nor Obama was willing to consider. Now, are you willing to consider this or do you prefer the camp of others on this thread and prefer to insult and not debate? I hope that it's the former.

Interesting from Oak Park  

Posted: April 26th, 2011 10:37 AM

@Carol. At least, though, I tried to engage you in a discussion. I obviously failed. I don't think that you even looked at my links. You and OP Resident, sadly, are simply too wrapped up in your partisan shell and then revert to name-calling rather than address questions (or links). I therefore conclude that you prefer to be part of the problem and not part of the solution. As Charles noted at 10:41, these are "not D or R issues....They are ALL of our issues."

Tom from River Forest  

Posted: April 26th, 2011 10:11 AM

Dear Chuck from OP: You no doubt think that unlike President Obama's plan, which actually cuts the deficit, Paul Ryan's budget is an actual solution to the problem. Well, Chuck, you are wrong. Ryan's budget is not realistic. Instead it is soft-core porn for the Ayn Rand solipsists out there. Ryan's budget is not even balanced for nearly 20 years because he gives significant tax cuts to the wealthy while raising the tax rates of the lower and middle class. That's not leadership, its fantasy

Carol from Oak Park  

Posted: April 26th, 2011 10:01 AM

I suppose it's something that Interesting has at least tacitly admitted that his point (1) was not true. This whole exchange reminds me of the scene from the Princess Bride where Vizzini shouts "Inconceivable!" and Montoya says: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

OPRF Achievement Gap  

Posted: April 26th, 2011 6:34 AM

@OP Resident is typical of what OP faces as an obstacle. ANYONE, that has a different opinion or idea - is an outcast that needs calling out for not agreeing - or having exactly the same view on how to solve an issue.

OP Resident  

Posted: April 26th, 2011 1:44 AM

That sure is a mouthful,sbernard543. Introduce yourself to factcheck.org

OP Resident  

Posted: April 26th, 2011 12:41 AM

Glenn Beck must be proud of you, Charles. Now have a steaming cup of tea and await further instructions.

Charles from OP  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 10:41 PM

The Deficit and the Downfall - are not D or R issues. They are America's issues. There ALL of our issues. However, our President has NOT taken any leadership. He waits for others to lead, and then he attacks them, and says...look at MY plan (after he tries to dress up for his flaws). That's not Leadership... He's our President & he's NOT put together a bold plan and now he's chasing between the goal posts. I will not vote for him again. That's why the Chinese are kicking our &?

Realitysux  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 10:25 PM

Carol & OP Resident- you both obviously don't research issues yourself and simply repeat the party talking points. CBO website CLEARLY shows the bush deficits INCLUDE the war costs. Ryan's plan replaces LOWER TAX RATES with elimination of many current deductions, making it REVENUE NEUTRAL. If the bush tax cuts were so awful and caused the deficits, why is obama keeping the middle class tax cuts, which account for more than 75% of the total, or 5x more than teh amount for the 2%.

Interesting from Oak Park  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 9:38 PM

@Carol. I'm next going to bed, but I just reread your 8:26 post and now realize that your #1 suggests that you misunderstood my post about Obama and D's. Obama's original budget proposal was not seriously addressing deficits - which was proven with his $7T increase in debt thru 2012. Also, his figures also showed the deficit INCREASING in the latter years. It was Ryan's budget that led to his 4/22 speech - where he, finally, acknowledged need to do something. Next? I'm hopeful AND skeptical!

Interesting from Oak Park  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 8:56 PM

@Carol. I sent the link to Obama's budget. It showed that the projected deficit for 2012 is $1.1T. I did catch this, but was limited in space - especially because I also linked it to Soc Sec info - where "everyone" was stunned that the deficit started 6-9 years before expected. Why include this? To show that YOUR 10-yr "1.1T reduction" should NOT be accepted. More? Obama based his 2012 budget on GDP growth of 4% and revenue growth of, stunningly, 21%! No economist believes this - but you do?

HWH oak park  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 8:54 PM

Proud Scab, I am sure someone will gladly pay you $7.00 per hour, no insurance, no benefits to do hard manual labor. Then you can find three other scabs to rent a 1 bedroom apartment with you while your employer buys another one of his teenage children a $40,000 SUV to drive to private school.

Carol from Oak Park  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 8:37 PM

Look, Interesting, I apologize if it looked like I was trying to insult you. It was not my intent.

Carol from Oak Park  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 8:26 PM

No, Interesting, you have provided no links to prove your original assertions, which were (1) that neither the dems nor Obama had offered any budget proposals; (2) that the Obama proposal contained no cuts; and (3) that it continued a $1.5 trillion deficit. All of which are false. Everything you have brought up since then is simply moving the goalposts.

Interesting from Oak Park  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 8:18 PM

@OP Resident. Alright, I'll "play fair" (I thought that I was!) if you return to your 5:57 post and acknowledge that everything that you wrote, starting with the 4th sentence, is logically flawed or just plain mistaken. Start with your statement regarding the $2.5T and $4T surplus. Study aide: read my 6:14 post. More assistance? There is no "surplus." If you don't understand this, then it is pointless for us to continue.

Interesting from Oak Park  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 8:12 PM

@Carol. You wrote: "Why do you feel the need to lie?" Alright, I'm NOT "insulted," but I provide several links to support my point - you provide zero - just rhetoric. Alright, next question, WHY did Obama make a speech on April 22 - essentially denouncing his own "budget proposal"? Answer: because Ryan's proposal highlighted that he had offered a status quo of nothingness. FactCheck just ripped him: http://factcheck.org/2011/04/factchecking-obamas-budget-speech/. We need Ryan AND Obama. Period.

OP Resident  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 8:06 PM

Play fair, Interesting. What does that mean, "I don't know".? If you don't stand for something; you'll fall for anything.

Carol from Oak Park  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 7:42 PM

I wasn't trying to insult you, I was asking you a question. You said no cuts were in the Obama budget. That is false. You said the Obama budget continued a $1.5 trillion deficit. That is false. I just wondered why.

Interesting from Oak Park  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 6:14 PM

@OP Resident. I don't know. It is truly a complex issue. However, you must understand that your $2.5T surplus does not exist in a true sense of the word and with Soc Sec NOW in deficit, you must be using old numbers to project an increase to $4T by 2023. The "surplus" is money already spent by US Gov (by both R's and D's) and is gone. Soc Sec was provided with Treasury IOU's - and IOU's are nothing more than promises to pay. How? By selling more debt to the public. The surplus is gone - vanished

OP Resident  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 5:57 PM

Okay, Interesting. Let's play catch. You threw out some numbers and I'm gonna toss a few back at you. The Social Security Trust Fund currently has a $2.5 trillion surplus that the CBO projects will grow to $4 trillion in 2023. If the GOP and Tea Party would support eliminating the $106,800 cap and tax all income, the trust fund would be solvent thru 2075. Does it seems fair or make sense to you that a billionaire pays the same amount in social security as someone earning $106,800 a year?

Interesting from Oak Park  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 5:48 PM

The true pt that I've been attempting to communicate (obviously without success) to Carol & OP Resident, is to stop being so myopic and partisan and recognize that the status quo is failing the future of our children. Is this a D or R issue? Of course not. S&P sends notice of downgrade to US debt last week and now the IMF says "it's over" regarding US, too. You can hide in your partisan shell, but why? Stop insulting. For gosh sakes, what does this have to do with Karl Rove?

Interesting from Oak Park  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 5:41 PM

@Carol. Your childish insult of calling me a liar would have more merit if you included a link. Here's mine: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2012/assets/tables.pdf. Pore over it and then realize that the numbers are absolute hogwash - no one can predict 2 yrs in the future - much less 10. For instance, Soc Sec was to be in surplus thru 2016-2020. Truth? It's now in deficit! http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2010/03/social-security-goes-into-deficit/38019/.

OP Resident  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 5:12 PM

Carol, there has been so much distortion of the facts by the GOP, Fox News and the Tea Party that too many people have stopped employing a reasoned thought process. They refuse to look at both sides of an issue. Karl Rove started this with the political campaigns of George W. Bush. I'm sure you recall the vicious rumors he spread about Anne Richards and John McCain. The culmination of their deceit was the illegal invasion of Iraq. So many dead and wounded. So much treasure lost. Shameful.

Violet Aura  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 5:11 PM

Um...Albert my pet, what do you do for a living? You sound like you're living large in RF. Are you one of those pro-American types who is a "small business owner," which translates to sitting around on your pasty arse chomping on a cigar whilst undocumented workers make peanuts and you drive over once a day to "supervise?"

Carol from Oak Park  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 4:16 PM

Why do you feel the need to lie? Obama's budget proposal contained cuts that would have come to a $1.1 trillion reduction in the deficit over 10 years. Also, with respect to your earlier comment about Dems proposing "nothing," there was also the House Progressive Caucus proposal, which would eliminate the deficit by letting most of the Bush tax cuts expire, increasing the corp tax, and imposing a financial transaction tax, among other things.

Interesting from Oak Park  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 3:00 PM

@Carol and OPR. Carol, Obama's original budget proposal, which he did just tear up, continued deficits of $1.5T. He had no "cuts." OPR, the IMF announced that China will surpass US economically in 2016. This, and other factors, explain why college grads/our kids can't find jobs today - even tho the "recession" officially ended 2 yrs ago. Perhaps you think that $1T and more annual deficits are a good thing for our kids, then, logically, we should have $2T deficits and provide free cars to all!

OP Resident  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 2:28 PM

Here's what I've got for you. Interesting. My wife and I raised 3 three children and having been caring for our granddaughter for the past ten years. I'm not convinced that the current hysteria about the fed deficit is legit. If it wouldn't make your blood pressure boil, I ask that you read the honest facts about the deficit provided by Senator Bernie Sanders. Listen to the Thom Hartman Show, broadcast afternoons on 820AM. He provides an informative program that addresses many of your concerns

Carol from Oak Park  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 2:01 PM

..and now that Ryan has made his proposal, we still have nothing, since his proposal turns the spending cuts around and offers them to rich people and corporations as tax cuts. And actually, it isn't true that we had "nothing" from the Dems. Obama did provide a proposed budget that cut spending. He just failed to give away the store to the rich and powerful, which is why Repubs have such a problem with it.

Interesting from Oak Park  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 1:54 PM

Until Ryan made his proposal - NOTHING existed from either the Dems or Obama. NOTHING! At least NOW we have a start in regard to dealing with the cancer that these politicians (which includes those from BK Illinois!) have created - and when you have kids.........you become even more concerned. The status quo leads to Rome's outcome.

OP Resident  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 1:32 PM

Interesting,glad we are finding common ground. Any idea that the GOP is trying to reign in spending doesn't hold water. The tax breaks that they demand for the top 2% proves they are phonies. Remember that President Obama included the costs of the illegal wars, Bush tax cuts and the Medicare drug bill in the budget. The GOP had played fast and loose with those numbers. You should know that Paul Ryan's reforms are not backed by the data produced but CBO. He doesn't even address defense spending.

Interesting from Oak Park  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 12:57 PM

@OP Resident. I agree with just about every one of your points - but you lose me in some of your linkages. FDR was correct - "public" unions are NOT the same as "private" unions - there is NOT an arms-length relationship. The GOP is at least TRYING to reign in spending (US House, WI, IN, etc), but the DEMs (Senate, Obama) are fighting it. GOP, though, HAS forced Obama to throw out his FY 2011/12 budget! CFReform is also "complex," but it does recognize problem - politicians and special interests

OP Resident  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 12:38 PM

This is a complex issue,Interesting. Bottom line is that our state sends more to DC than it gets back. In fact, the states that realize a bigger return are considered "Red" states. So, for all the talk by the GOP about reigning in federal spending; it seems they are not willing to walk the walk. I too hope for change and think that the first step is real campaign finance reform. Mutli-national corporations, Wall St. thieves and crooked bankers are responsible for more of the problems than unions

Interesting from Oak Park  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 12:08 PM

@OP Resident. So you're saying that Alaska, which receives so much Fed money because the Fed owns most of the state, also has trouble with their municipal unions and is going BK, too? I know that, like WI, it is a big union state. "Hope and Change" is also coming to IL - look at all the "changes" regarding teacher tenure, municipal pensions, etc. which is right now taking place in Springfield. It doesn't "change" that IL is still broke, but I "hope" that more "change" is coming!

OP Resident  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 10:07 AM

Hey, Albert! All the good names were taken. But you can call me Ishmael.

Albert  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 7:40 AM

@OP Resident - Why don't you use your name? People who hide behind useless data - always hide their name. It is like when we were kids - don't BLAME me, Johnny did it too (sorry Johnny). Come on really? Don't Blame Illinois for being a mess - because Alaska has its problems as well??? With arguments like that - we all CLEARLY know Illinois is a complete Shambles. Now, lets ask WHY

OP Resident  

Posted: April 25th, 2011 1:39 AM

Really, you neglected to tell "the rest of the story"! It's true that Illiois is facing a budget shortfall. So is just about every other state. Let's consider Alaska. The state receives $1.87 back from the feds for every dollar it sends. That's a top ten ranking. Illinois only gets 73 cents and puts us near the bottom of the list. Alaska's projected budget shortfall ranks 5th overall just behind our home state. You won't hear that from the teapods or Fox News. But that's a raw deal for Illinois.

Really?  

Posted: April 24th, 2011 10:11 PM

That last quote in the article is marvelous. Is there a single sane resident who would characterize Illinois as responsible or effective? Aren't we the poster child of irresponsibility and ineptitude?

DC  

Posted: April 24th, 2011 5:08 PM

Today public-sector union folks are being targeted for the (shocking) sin of earning a living. Next might it be those in the non-union public sector? (Why not? Why should they have benefits?!) Who knows, maybe after that we'll pick on the private sector. Oh wait, the private sector already shipped how many millions of jobs offshore in the last 30-40 years. It's okay - we can all sell coffee to each other. :)

Carol from Oak Park  

Posted: April 24th, 2011 4:51 PM

It's unfortunate that those who oppose unions can't seem to ever marshal anything but outright falsehoods and disinformation in their quest to lower everyone else's standard of living.

Interesting from Oak Park  

Posted: April 24th, 2011 2:33 PM

Yep, the unions have done a fantastic job for GM, Ford, Chrysler, Detroit, Flint, Chicago, State of Illinois, California, etc. And where would our "owe-me" municipal worker union employees be if they couldn't, sob, have $100K retirements at age 55 - nicely assisted by pension bumps, etc? As long as the rest of us serfs work until 67, collect max of $24K yearly with their social security checks, and pays their taxes - then the union employee can maintain their status quo - change is coming.

Proud Scab  

Posted: April 24th, 2011 2:28 PM

Will be glad to take any union jobs for less pay, let me know.

Carol from Oak Park  

Posted: April 24th, 2011 1:39 PM

How depressing it is to see people bashing unions for insisting on fair pay, good working conditions, and the right to not have to work until you die. If that's owe-me mentality, then sign me up. I think we've fallen much too far into the trap of thinking that, as workers, we aren't entitled to such things. The American dream is being killed by the belief that we need to lower everyone's standard of living, rather than finding some way to improve it.

EFFW from Oak Park  

Posted: April 24th, 2011 1:03 PM

Get this sign and display it proudly in support of the middle class, fair wages and benifits that Unions stand for. Thank you Senator Harmon.

HWH Oak Park  

Posted: April 24th, 2011 12:43 PM

George S, when you said "But for their corruption and the owe me mentality" I thought you were talking about Enron and the bank bailouts.

George S from oak park  

Posted: April 24th, 2011 9:55 AM

One should not be so quick. I am an OP resident - over 25 Years, and have a feeling of understanding for those like Albert. Many in OP that have the focus of HWH - (who is that anyway) are out of touch in many ways. Like a class warfare. This is good however as it is waking up people about rallying for rights of those who Detest Unions - not for the protection of those who need it - But for their corruption and the OWE me mentality. Don't blame River Forest - it is all around in OP as well

Decimus  

Posted: April 24th, 2011 8:35 AM

EVICT ALBERT. One so misinformed should not be allowed to own or rent.

HWH Oak Park  

Posted: April 23rd, 2011 11:50 PM

Thank you Senator Harmon. Wow, so much hate from RF. Guess what? Union workers have the right to earn a good wage just like you. I hope every teacher at OPRF puts a sign on their lawn along with everyone else who supports the rights of all workers. I am sending $25 to The Democratic Party of Oak Park for the printing of the signs.

OP Resident  

Posted: April 23rd, 2011 9:03 PM

I understand why the Koch Brothers and the fat cats are against organized labor. Union members represent a threat. We speak for the middle class and working poor in this country. Mutli-national corporations ship good paying jobs overseas and see their profits skyrocket. They no longer have to contend with a living wage,workplace safety, health insurance costs, a 40 hour work week, sick leave, child labor laws, etc.,. Yet, we see these posts here attacking unions. Misdirected anger, folks!

Albert - RF  

Posted: April 23rd, 2011 5:16 PM

RECALL Sen. Harmon from Office. This is absolutely ridiculous. The State of ILL, using Harmon as a Tool, just ripped money from our wallets - and he is running around getting signs made up to Protect UNIONS?? Harmon needs to get to work finding JOBS and cutting the Spending - not making signs for Unions - or he should be recalled.

support taxpayers with typos from river forest  

Posted: April 22nd, 2011 8:20 PM

The last sentence should read "The unions should be supported, no matter what." Hard to describe, easy to see the wrong. But, hey, so long as the donations keep flowing.

support taxpayers from river forest  

Posted: April 22nd, 2011 8:14 PM

The irony of supporting unions must weigh heavy on the Oak Park taxpayer who is now supporting the unions via the tax increase. And, the unions will in turn contribute to those who will negotitate with them. The taxpayers must be supported, no matter what. Or, so the signs say.

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