With gun shop opening in Oak Park, neighbors plan community meeting

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By Marty Stempniak

Staff Reporter

A Berwyn resident just received a business license to open a gun store in Oak Park. And now a neighborhood group is holding a forum next week to learn more about their new neighbor.

Justin Delafuente, 27, just picked up his business license from village hall on Monday, to open Windy City Firearms at 6338 W. Roosevelt Rd. The store would not have any inventory on site, rather, customers would be able to purchase their firearms online, and then pick them up at the office just east of Ridgeland.

Some residents have expressed concerns about what impacts the shop might have on the neighborhood. So, the South East Oak Park Community Organization is hosting a community meeting on Tuesday, Nov. 29, to ask Delafuente questions and learn more about Windy City Firearms.

SEOPCO has invited Police Chief Rick Tanksley to the forum, too, along with members of the village board, according to Allan Flynn, a board member for the group who's lived in south Oak Park for 26 years. They plan to gather questions from the audience and ask the panel for details on the gun store.

"If the village has deemed it proper for him to start his business on Roosevelt Road, then obviously there's some reasons why," Flynn said. "And I think if everyone has the information, we'll all be better neighbors, and they'll be better business people."

Delafuente was unavailable for comment Monday night, according to his stepdad Larry D'Antonio, the Berwyn resident who owns Bull Sharpening right next door, and will be renting out the 1,000-square-foot space. But D'Antonio confirmed that he and his stepson plan to attend. He was unsure, though, of the exact opening date for the store.

"We're not trying to piss anyone off; we're not trying to do anything like that," D'Antonio said. "If I can educate some people and give them my side, that's all we can do at this point."

Windy City Firearms would only deal in long guns, such as rifles and shotguns and not handguns or assault weapons (though Delafuente said he would be allowed to sell handguns to people working in law enforcement). According to a letter that former Village Attorney Ray Heise wrote to Delafuente back in June, such an establishment is allowed within the village's borders.

The forum is scheduled for 7 to 8:30 p.m. at the auditorium of Irving Elementary School, 1125 S. Cuyler Ave.

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People Kill People  

Posted: January 9th, 2012 5:02 PM

GUNZ: I understand that you are scared of guns-as you should be. Everyone should be scared of being on the losing end of a gun. But the point that you're missing here, is that when those that intend to harm you know that there is a possibility of you fighting back and harming them instead, they are less likely to blindly enter in to a potentially violent situation. Take a class, go see what it's about before you damn us all for feeling more comfortable with the ability to defend ourself.

John  

Posted: January 3rd, 2012 8:04 PM

GREAT IDEA, "I knew there was an easy solution. Maybe at birth we should issue a gun along with a social security number. What a safe society we would have." Thank You gunz kill, GREAT IDEA

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: January 3rd, 2012 7:52 PM

The people with the guns will be the first to get hurt. Who does a robber take out first? Of course the one that can hurt him /her the most. Gee great theory- Everyone not only having guns on their person, but having guns in their hands pointed at something or someone just in case.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: January 3rd, 2012 2:23 PM

GUNZ KILL, if some bad guy has the drop, what are the alternatives? You draw and fired. If the people you have just posted were armed, and already had their pistols in hand, they the bad guys would be on the other end of the barrel and the good guys wouldn't have to be shot at. It would certainly light up the asses for the bad guys to finally realize people are not able to fight back and not have to be victims any longer. Thanks to you, you make the case of carrying heaters very understandable.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: January 3rd, 2012 2:03 PM

Man critically wounded in South Side shooting Updated 12:39 p.m. Cops: Carjacking victim shot 3 times, thrown in trunk, but escapes.Cold snap doesn't stop violence: 2 dead, at least 3 wounded.Cops warn of robberies near CTA Green Line, bus stops. This isnt even all of them. Take a look at the mugshots and figure out how many of them involve GUNS???

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: January 3rd, 2012 1:59 PM

How well did the ARMED POLICE OFFICER give it back? IT DOESNT WORK.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: January 3rd, 2012 1:55 PM

GUNZ KILL, I don't want to take one for the team, may you do, and I'm glad you are showing all of the violence bad people do, that requires good people to be able to defend themselves by giving it back to the bad people.

OPRF Dad  

Posted: January 3rd, 2012 12:51 PM

*Cont.* for that violence to become lethal. They have helped turn some areas into war zones. I don't have a problem with RESPONSIBLE gun ownership. But let's not pretend there aren't consequences to society as a whole. Let's not pretend there shouldn't be limits. You can't own a battle tank or a stinger missile. You have to balance a the freedom to own guns with the freedom to not be threatened or shot. It's not the most responsible we need to legislate but the least. For the benefit of everyone

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: January 3rd, 2012 12:46 PM

Well said OPRF Dad. I've thought long and hard about this and I've always said the good guys have to take one for the team and the team(all of us) will be better off. JMHO

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: January 3rd, 2012 12:44 PM

Maybe at the CHA they could do gun disbursements instead of gun sweeps.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: January 3rd, 2012 12:43 PM

More guns......says Q. Brilliant! I knew there was an easy solution. Maybe at birth we should issue a gun along with a social security number. What a safe society we would have.

OPRF Dad  

Posted: January 3rd, 2012 12:41 PM

It's interesting to see how people are avoiding the middle ground on this. I don't own guns but have used them from time to time. Guns do kill people. So do cars and cigarettes. The expression of liberty sometimes costs lives. On the other side, there are limitations to that liberty. It's only responsible to admit that criminals kill more innocent people in the US with guns than the other way around. Guns aren't the cause of violence but they aren't the solution either. They make it easier

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: January 3rd, 2012 11:11 AM

GUNZ KILL, now you are understanding why people need to carry guns to protect themselves against what you are reporting. Thank you for making your point more evident for the need.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: January 3rd, 2012 1:11 AM

Shot 3 times, victim escapes carjackers Updated 12:32 a.m. Man shot dead in South Shore Updated 11:17 p.m.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: January 2nd, 2012 10:13 AM

West Rogers Park man is city's first 2012 slaying Updated 8:10 a.m.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: January 2nd, 2012 1:12 AM

Hey Tom. Guess what. I didnt buy any guns this weekend. I saved my money. I give that store less than 5 years. More people were innocent victims of gun violence this weekend. Imagine that. Where were you to protect them? They need you

Tom from Oak Park  

Posted: January 1st, 2012 8:36 PM

Gunz, I want you to know me and my friends had a great time this weekend at the range, one of my best friends even brought his 10 year old son guess what he loved it so much his father and I went to this new store and bought him his own Ruger 10/22. I just wanted to let you know that Gunz, it's another day of failure for you and I still have my rights and there's nothing you can do about it, still smiling. :)

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: January 1st, 2012 7:37 PM

More GUN news: Ranger dies after shooting at Mount Rainier park Updated 50 minutes ago.Stray bullets land in baby's crib in Elgin Updated 4:22 p.m. Hunter wounds Mass. woman, mistook dogs for deer Updated 44 minutes ago.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: December 31st, 2011 7:27 PM

Teen fatally wounded in Englewood shooting Updated Dec 31, 2011

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: December 31st, 2011 9:45 AM

Hunting accident hospitalizes Addison man : http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-hunting-accident-hospitalizes-addison-man-20111231,0,5493061.story

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: December 30th, 2011 8:46 AM

How many guns stores in 1 state are too many?

Tracy Adams from Des Moines  

Posted: December 30th, 2011 5:48 AM

Guns kill people! People use all types of weapons to kill other people, ie, cars, knives, guns, hammers, rope, boiling water, drowning in the river or ocean...do you get it!! Peoples actions and accountability. Sounds like the neighborhood could use a neigborhood watch...and a gun shop should lower the crime rate in your area, because with gun sales, you are only selling to approved people with a approved background check from the FBI. Knowledge is power.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: December 27th, 2011 4:04 PM

Berwyn, thanxs for challenging my thought process.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: December 27th, 2011 3:55 PM

Yes, I was wrong. Sacramento Bee newspaper does report the shooting. I was looking in the wrong area, never thinking it was a California story. Sorry to all. I hope I rectified my mistake.

Berwyn  

Posted: December 27th, 2011 3:10 PM

Maybe they meant OP, Ca

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: December 27th, 2011 2:19 PM

To UNK from SAC: as of now your posting on Sat` 24 Dec. appears to be false. Please provide any additional indformation.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: December 27th, 2011 1:31 PM

TO UNK from SAc: More infor, please on the house that was shot up in Oak Park just before Christmas Eve. Address?Time? Location?

UNKNOWN from SACRAMENTO  

Posted: December 24th, 2011 12:54 PM

JUST YESTERDAY THEY SHOT UP A HOUSE ON MY STREET IN OAK PARK NOW THEY REALLY WILL HAVE ACCESS TO MORE GUNS!! I CAN STILL HEAR THE MOMA YELLING OUT THAT'S MY SONS HOUSE IN FEAR HE'S DEAD INSIDE THIS REALLY CANNOT HAPPEN WE SHOULD STOP THIS STORE FROM OPENING ASAP!!!

Tom from Oak Park  

Posted: December 23rd, 2011 8:29 PM

If it's foolish to stand up for what you believe in then yes I am foolish but I know tomorrow when I wake up my rights will be protected from people like you Gunz. :)

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: December 23rd, 2011 3:55 PM

You all sound foolish.

Tom from Oak Park  

Posted: December 23rd, 2011 10:31 AM

Go with the 1911 45ACP can't go wrong with something that's been around for 100 years.

People Kill People  

Posted: December 23rd, 2011 10:20 AM

Gunz Kill: "Be careful at the range. When guns are involved, there's a good chance someone will get hurt!"...That sounds like a threat... I'm neither a member of the NRA or a member of an anti-gun group. I believe that I have a right to bear arms, to protect my family, and to lawfully fire a weapon to do so. I am purchasing my first handgun soon...still deciding between a 357 and a 45. Any suggestions from those of you who own either one? Non-weapon owners can feel free to

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: December 22nd, 2011 11:42 AM

Only Crazy: At least you agree Stalin and FDR are lefties. So lets take a look at Hitler. Big government,health care,controlled press,no private ownership of guns,disdain for religion,secularism,abortion or population control. Sounds leftist to me.

Bell  

Posted: December 21st, 2011 9:02 AM

You're playing right into the hands of the people who want to distract our attention. Pushing people to take sides on social issues like gay marriage, reproductive rights,etc.,. keeps us from focusing on how corporate money is corrupting the democratic process and threatens the republic. Learn more about the unregulated money pouring in to Super Pacs after the Supreme Court ruled that corporations are people.

Luke ScottWalker from Oak Park  

Posted: December 21st, 2011 8:45 AM

LMAO, back with the drive-by insults again I see. Never mind trying to engage in dialouge. That would hurt your brain too much. It's sad to say you have some real anger management issues, dude. You clearly don't know me at all, but it wouldn't matter. You're the mind-numbed, robotic unthinking lemming that your mean-spirited barbs accuse others of being. It's also clear you're a fundamentalist lefty. That's fine, but it's never too late to open your mind. Merry Christmas. I bid you peace.

LMAO @ Idiots  

Posted: December 21st, 2011 2:11 AM

Oh, Luke, why am I not surprised to see an uneducated science-denying nut to also be a survivalist moron collecting guns to defend against the coming totalitarian government. Please, tell us about how you will save us all from the FEMA camps that the Kenyan-in-Chief is building. With your beautiful, warm guns. Hubba hubba.

Only Crazies Want Guns  

Posted: December 21st, 2011 2:04 AM

Mr. Slowiak has completely discredited himself and shown himself to be a complete and utter crank by refering to Hitler as a "leftie". I wish I could say I was surprised, but every gun nut eventually demonstrates how completely crazy they are if you just get them to talk long enough. Thanks for playing. You may now leave and come back under a different name.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: December 21st, 2011 12:46 AM

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park, totally agree with you, but it's obvious what had happened and what now has happened. Our government supports communist China, and as American's, we are forced to buy China made products that are junk and in several cases have proven to be deadly, literally. While I was taught to fight the communist by my Government, I am now told it's a good thing China has prospered and what about their Military increase, and cheap materials and abuse of their people? Not good.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: December 20th, 2011 9:58 PM

Q from Oak Park:Sorry i disagree. My Poland was allowed to be raped and murdered by the three biggest lefties in the world,Stalin,Hitler and FDR, who was either to intoxicated,infirmed,or indifferent,plus a coward, Churchill, who used Polish pilots in the Battle of Britan. Pol Pot stacked 3million skulls in Cambodia.Plus a free S.Korea. Mao murdered millions.Any step against international Communism is okay in my book.Even Vietnam.

Larry Dantonio from Berwyn, Illinois  

Posted: December 20th, 2011 8:19 PM

HuntersRCowards, If you had bothered topay attention you would know that according to Oak Park law, The store can sell Long guns to anyone and sell Handguns to police officers. So no one is breaking any laws or going back on what they are allowed to do.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: December 20th, 2011 3:13 PM

You should be. I am. People are dying daily, hourly. When is the last time guns were used against any government in the US?

Luke ScottWalker from Oak Park  

Posted: December 20th, 2011 3:09 PM

Gunz, you are naive. I'm not paranoid at all. I am, however, a student of history & a pragmatist. The disarming of societies in the 20th century alone resulted in the deaths of hundreds of millions of people worldwide. It would be nice to think of a world without guns, but it's simply unrealistic. I don't trust the benevolent dictator/central government, because history has proven them to be untrustworthy at best, & downright evil at worst. See Mao, Guevara, Hitler, Castro, etc. for the truth.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: December 20th, 2011 2:39 PM

Luke, Your paranoid.

Luke ScottWalker from Oak Park  

Posted: December 20th, 2011 11:41 AM

Armed Govt Unarmed/Unable to be Legally Armed Citizenry = Nazi Germany = North Korea = Communist China = Soviet Union = Iran = Saudi Arabia = Englewood. Stop the Madness, Gunz Kill!

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: December 20th, 2011 10:55 AM

People=Govt. Govt=People

Luke ScottWalker from Oak Park  

Posted: December 19th, 2011 10:39 PM

Gunz Kill: Who do you suggest should be responsible for "taking guns out of the equation?" If you answer the govt, then by what method would they do it? Most likely, the govt officers would have to be ARMED to accomplish this. And what do you have then? Tyranny, that's what. Or worse, you'd have the Soviet Union. Sound good to you???

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: December 19th, 2011 8:19 PM

More Civil Disobedience on the streets of America. Perfect solution. Lets have criminals and or legal gun toting individuals creating madness in our neighbor hoods. If we take GUNS OUT of the equation, no one has to DIE from them. Good, bad or indifferent. Capic??

twinsonic65  

Posted: December 19th, 2011 7:35 PM

Hearing noise outside him home late one nigh, a Seattle man took up his legally-owned pistol to investigate. He found a man prowling the neighborhood and acting suspiciously. The armed citizen held the prowler for police, who are investigating his possible relationship to a string of hot burglaries in the area. The alert citizen's neighbors are praising the resident and his gun for protecting them. (IN LIBIRAL SEATTLE NO LESS.....)

twinsonic65  

Posted: December 19th, 2011 7:30 PM

A Dayton OH CCW (concealed weapon holder) was attacked while pumping gas at a local station by two men who proceeded to beat him in a robbery attempt. The would-be victim drew his legally carried .45 pistol and shot one of the assailants twice in the abdomen, ending the attac. Police later arrested both assailants, who admitted having no reason for the attack beside being high on drugs The CCW holder will not face charges.

twinsonic65  

Posted: December 19th, 2011 7:23 PM

As a repo man prepared to repossess a car, a strange confrontation occurred. Police say a 26 year old man cursed at the repo man and tried to prevent him from taking the car. Oddly, the suspect was not the owner of the car and didn't live at the address where is was parked. Yet he pulled out a gun and fired. The repo man, who has a concealed-carry permit, drew his handgun and fired. The suspect was killed. Naples Daily News, Naples, FL 9/16/11

twinsonic65  

Posted: December 19th, 2011 7:19 PM

Was the suspect lying in wait as his would-be victim came home from work? That's what police are asking after Leontaye Johnson returned from his shift as a cook and was ambushed. What police do know is the suspect illegally carried a gun, announced a robbery and fired a shot at Johnson, injuring him, That's when Johnson drew his gun, fired several shots and killed the suspect. NBC11, Atlanta GA, 08/15/11

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: December 19th, 2011 6:30 PM

LBJ could have saved 10's of thousand of lives if he would have stopped it. Then one day everyone left, just like Iraq.

Brian J. Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: December 19th, 2011 5:25 PM

Gunz, LBJ said being president during the Vietnam War was like being a hitch hiker caught on the Texas Plain during a hail storm.You cant run,you cant hide and you cant make it stop. I am sure you feel the same way.I admire your passion. Meet you at concealed carry.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: December 19th, 2011 3:55 PM

When the police dont protect you, your family will. Right? Authorities: Mom shot 3 children, boyfriend before killing herself.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: December 19th, 2011 3:16 PM

The citizens of the City Of Chicago were disarmed. The City didnt do its job in protecting them.Therefore, they need the same firearms that the police carry to defend themselves because the police are not obligated to protect anyone. Thanqs, gunz,the next time we meet will be concealed carry. Looking forward to that fresh battle

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: December 19th, 2011 1:03 PM

Defend them and their families from what? Answer: GUNS! Thanks for making my point!

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: December 19th, 2011 10:52 AM

Who really loses? The African American guys begging for the right to defend their lives and the lives of their families at Rep Fords town hall meeting because the police will not protect them.. Again,SCOTUS, the VOP will not stand up for their own law and the WJ have pulled out of the issue. Prepare yourself for your next loss, concealed carry.I admire your passion.if guns kill, then every police officer is a killer.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: December 19th, 2011 10:10 AM

Brian who really loses????Cops: 2 men shot in apparent 'road rage' incident.Cops: Woman shot near Garfield Park on West Side Man shot multiple times in Portage Park neighborhood.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: December 19th, 2011 8:58 AM

gunz, your opinion has been made irrelvent by the SCOTUS,VOP which wont back its own law,WJ which welcomes the store into OP.No matter what you say,or worse for you, how you feel,is of no importance.Your opinion simply does not matter.The next battle you will loose is concealed carry, which will pass either by the feds or the state.Your side lost on this issue,badly.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: December 17th, 2011 12:30 PM

5 Dead in Emington,IL thanks to GUNS. Man shot to death in South Side robbery attempt. 2 teens seriously injured in South Side shooting.65-year-old man shot in the head while driving on South Side.Man shot, seriously wounded on Far South Side.Man, teen wounded in Englewood neighborhood shooting.FBI: Probe into gun running leads to charges against 15 FBI: Probe into gun running leads to charges against 15

Reality Check  

Posted: December 17th, 2011 2:41 AM

The key to understanding the NRA is that although it bills itself as gun owners organization it is actually a weapons industry lobbying group, which scams regular gun owners into supporting policies that are contrary to the needs of responsible gun owners. There are plenty of real gun owner advocacy groups out there.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: December 17th, 2011 12:22 AM

ATF: Deb's Gun Range in Hammond robbed of 33 firearms http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/lake/hammond/atf-deb-s-gun-range-in-hammond-robbed-of-firearms/article_34412edf-2e03-59da-a59d-6cd8b42fd79b.html#ixzz1glxEwoGP

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: December 16th, 2011 9:34 PM

GUNZKILL: Just wondering, if the only purpose for a gun is to kill someone or something and you are against guns, then you must be pro life, because the only reason for an abortion doctor is to kill someone orsomething.

HuntersRCowards  

Posted: December 16th, 2011 8:20 PM

GUNZ Kill. I'm with you 100%. Guns are only good for 1 thing and that is to kill. No other reason. When the 2nd Amendment was written, it was for an armed militia at a time when we were fighting in the Revolutionary War. I'm sure the Founding Fathers did not mean for every freakin' person in the country to have guns. But this is what the nra does. It lies and manipulates to get their ridiculous points across or use intimidation. They're all thugs.

HuntersRCowards  

Posted: December 16th, 2011 8:15 PM

Tom From Oak Park wrote, " I've gone in there and talked to the owners, when I was in the store a Melrose Park Police officer came in looking to buy a new side arm for duty" I thought this place was only suppose to sell rifles or long guns not firearms. They are already breaking their word. I knew that this was going to happen. Selling firearms. They're all liars. Once they got in the door, this was their goal - firearms. But then they're gun dealers/owners. What else would you expect from them.

Timmy from Simi valley  

Posted: December 16th, 2011 5:28 PM

GunzKill can say whatever he/she wants. In the end, the 2nd amendment will NEVER go away.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: December 13th, 2011 3:58 PM

More GUN News: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-4-shot-near-scene-of-west-side-shooting-13-hours-earlier-20111213,0,944922.story

Haha  

Posted: December 11th, 2011 10:48 PM

And yet again another gun nut demonstrates to the world that he lacks the mental maturity necessary to own a weapon.

Bell  

Posted: December 11th, 2011 9:53 PM

Wow! Is that really the best you've got?

DK  

Posted: December 7th, 2011 11:23 AM

You are not only not middle of the road, you are off the reservation. So what is next, bow and arrows for your banned list. How about the crossbow. Just meant for killing and actually banned by the Pope when first created back in the Dark Ages. You are silly and ridiculous.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: December 7th, 2011 8:55 AM

DK, you say "You know nothing about the specifics of different guns and their legitimate use." The only legitimate use of ANY GUN IS TO KILL SOMETHING OR SOMEONE. Think about it. Irregardless of what or who you are killing - IT IS WRONG on all fronts. I'd liked to see these deer hunters wrestle the deers down and try to strangle their catches instead of sit back 40 yards and shoot a rifle to an unsuspecting animal. Guns kill and its gotten way out of hand. There's your middle of the road for ya

DK  

Posted: December 7th, 2011 5:46 AM

use. I never thought that I would be arguing this side of the issue b/c with many of my friends I take a middle of the road stance with some regulation on gun ownership. I can now see their side when they say that we should ban cars, knives, crossbows, poison (rat, pest) because they can kill someone. Get real dude!

DK  

Posted: December 7th, 2011 5:41 AM

The funny thing about this debate is that I am a political moderate and generally a social progressive. People like you, GUNZ KILL, are so all or nothing that you are indistinguishable from the "I should be able to have a machine gun" camp. You are so blinded by your position that you tune out all facts and valid points from the other side. You have likely never fired a firearm or seen one aside from a police sidearm. You know nothing about the specifics of different guns and their legitimate

DK  

Posted: December 7th, 2011 5:34 AM

Preposterous at best. There is absolutely a line between the two. Because you ban guns does not mean that they will magically disappear from the planet. You fear firearms and that is understandable, but to oversimplify this issue is crazy. I have yet to see the gang banger undertaking a driveby with a 30 30 bolt action deer rifle. You do realize there are different types of firearms and many are impractical for crime...

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: December 5th, 2011 5:38 PM

There is no line between legal and criminal gun ownership. I keep saying the legal "good guys" have to take one for the team in order to help the innocent people who are affected by gun murders every day, week yr!!!!

DK  

Posted: December 5th, 2011 2:51 PM

Secondly, as per theft, in the last 100 years, someone invented something called a gun safe. If locked away, I do not think that anyone is going to haul of my 300 lb safe and crack it open. Incidentally, I also have an alarm system in my house, which would deploy the authorities well before anyone could find the weapon. Again, fear and ignorance of what you do not understand leads to irrational and unfounded positions.

DK  

Posted: December 5th, 2011 2:49 PM

could say the same for the anti-gun crowd. If you learn about a weapon, you respect it. How do you teach your kids about fire, electricity, knives, etc. All equally dangerous, yet there is not a rash of electricutions because the education is commonplace. The accidental shootings usually go like this "a child in the block of xyz shot a friend when they found the father's hidden gun." I will bet they never were taught safety.

DK  

Posted: December 5th, 2011 2:44 PM

Concerned: Obviously, you have no firearms experience. To begin with, if you have guns in the house, you are duty bound to practice gun safety. This begins with teaching all family members about the weapon, its dangers and how to handle a gun. Accidents happen from ignorance, not from training. My children are already learning how to check and clear a guns, as well as not to point a weapon at anything you do not want to shoot. Most importantly that it is NOT A TOY! I doubt that I

Thomas Paine  

Posted: December 2nd, 2011 1:08 PM

Please you neo marxist hacks need to stay where y ou are ! Dont come to my state! If gun control is so great then tell me why the crime rate is so high in your anti constitutional / maoist dung holes? Hmmn? Let him sell battle rifles and sidearms to the law abiding citizen and watch the thugs flee!

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: December 1st, 2011 7:24 PM

Concerned Oak Park, if someone steals a gun from a legal gun owner, the gun owner can go out and buy another one and wait for the next break in for the criminal now breaking in with a stolen gun. Also, if the legal gun owners could carry their guns with them, then when the criminal broke in, he wouldn't be able to steal the gun.

Concerned Oak Parker  

Posted: December 1st, 2011 7:00 PM

By the way, I don't know what FOID is and I'm a real Oak Parker. I've lived here since 1972. I'm a homeowner, living near Austin, south of Madison. DK: There is a difference between legal and illegal ownership. But the problem lies with having ANY guns around. People can steal your guns and commit crimes. A person in your family could accidentally get hurt by a gun. Guns kill! I hate guns. The police protect me, thank you very much.

DK  

Posted: December 1st, 2011 4:09 AM

Interesting that you continue to blur illegal ownership and criminal violence with legal ownership. Two different things, but simplicity is convenient and safe. It is , however, uninformed and ignorant to reality.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 30th, 2011 7:08 PM

Ask the parents, children, friends and family of innocent victims of guns violence. See how yours and their rights have served them well. Guns must go. Its like taking one for the team. They have no place in today's world except terror. as for them being like a insurance policy, they sure are. A policy that the payout is certain death. Perfect in all aspects!

DK  

Posted: November 30th, 2011 9:04 AM

BTW - When the zombie hordes do come, I won't hold your veiws against you, however, they might.

DK  

Posted: November 30th, 2011 9:02 AM

federal laws under which I live. It does not matter whether I have it for home defense, target shooting, hunting or to fight off the inevitable zombie hordes. The crime to which you keep referring to is not based on legal gun ownership because you cannot acquire a firearm as easy as you think. There is a significant background check, waiting periods and other measures. You just do not like guns and we got it loud and clear. Some of us like and respect firearms and you be equally gracious.

DK  

Posted: November 30th, 2011 8:57 AM

out against them. You, however, feel it is your right to infringe on others who do not hold your view by prohibition of something that you do not personally espouse. The back and forth on whether or not gun ownership is creating violence is preposterous as is claims of decreased crime. The is simply no clear causality for either argument on the scale that either side claims. The truth is this, though. It is absolutely legal for me to own a firearm within the bounds of the local, state and

DK  

Posted: November 30th, 2011 8:53 AM

Now I am lost. Your whole contribution to the thread has been based on concerns about guns, gun ownership and an uninformed paranoia that the fabric of Oak Park and greater society will crumble in the face of law abiding citizens having a means to acquire firearms. Yet, you say if 99% of people in OP owned weapons, it is not relevant. But it is relevant. You are a member of a greater community and none of the gun owners seem to be looking to infringe your right to not own guns or to speak

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 30th, 2011 8:27 AM

I dont care much for who in Oak Park are FOID people. That doesnt speak to the issue of guns and what they are doing to our societies. If 99 percent of all Oak Park had guns, that doesnt rationalize the death that comes from them.I live in fear like we all do. Not enough fear that I feel I have to arm myself with a weapon to defend my or my families lives.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: November 30th, 2011 8:14 AM

GUNZ Do you lock the door so to your home? If you do lock your doors, then you live in fear?

DK  

Posted: November 30th, 2011 5:43 AM

BTW - You also never answered ym question. I personally know a good many Oak Parkers who are legal FOID carrying gun owners. You are neglecting or refusing to answer my question as to OP gun ownership. You do not own a firearm. Great as you would likely be a safety risk and a danger to those around you. You are not everyone. Your view is not that of everyone.

DK  

Posted: November 30th, 2011 5:34 AM

Hey GUNZ KILL, do you have insurance policies on your home, car, life, etc? I see as no different. Not fear, but pragmatism. Better to have and never need than to need and not have.

Oh hey look  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 10:32 PM

Look who's linking to and talking about this article: http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=28095 The Wednesday Journal knows well who is posting to these threads, and WHY. Will the real Oak Parkers please stand up!!!

Concerned Oak Parker  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 8:06 PM

I agree with Gunz Kill. I feel very safe here. The police do a fine job of protecting me. They are visible and proactive. I sleep well every night. Thank you, Oak Park Police Department. I don't need to have a gun to protect myself.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 6:50 PM

People in Oak Park do not live in fear of their life. Guns are not necessary.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 6:42 PM

Typo error my part, date of article is 11/24/83.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 6:36 PM

DK ,if you live in fear, that's on you. Me, not so much.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 6:35 PM

Chic Trib. 11/4/83 BANDIT WAS PAROLED EARLY DESPITE LONG RECORD.A prosecutor charged wed. that a convicted murderer who attacked a couple in their home and dragged the naked woman thru the streets was improperly paroled."Couple arrived at home @7Pm and found Cleoria Watts inside."Watts came out holing the nude woman hostage with a gun to her head""police suddenly had a clear shot a Watts whom they shot six times. Police believe Watts wounded OP Off. Charles Willet"

DK  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 3:36 PM

Also would ask in your vast library of stats do you have anything on gun ownership in Oak Park? If not, you have no idea if any of these boogeymen, i.e repeal of ban, gun shops, etc. have any effect. Also, may be a huge shocker to you, but many people still had hand guns during the ban. I traded mine for a 12 gauge as it stops 'em better and more decisively, but many people espouse that it is better to be judged by 12 than carries by 6.

DK  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 3:32 PM

So were you OK with the ban as it stood before? If so, you could have always had a 12 gauge or similar firearm. You seem really upset about handguns and this establishment would only sell them to law enforcement. You knew that you could have long guns all along, yes?

Manning Peterson  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 3:19 PM

I am really looking forward to seeing and hearing from all you pro-gunshops-next-to-schools "Oak Parkers" at the community meeting tonight.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 3:10 PM

GUNZ KILL, there was an intruder who happened upon the homeowner who fired a shot at the intruder on his way out, several years ago on the South end of Oak Park. Intruder died by the time he reached Austin and Roosevelt in his vehicle.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 3:09 PM

"Death Wish type scenarios are not the only reason to own a firearm " Well you could have fooled me by all the " I need a gun to protect my family from death" type comments!!! Their lives were so endangered that with out a gun they would all die??? Please.

DK  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 3:04 PM

Death Wish type scenarios are not the only reason to own a firearm GUNZ KILL and responsible owners are not the problem. If fact, I bet more people than you think own firearms in Oak Park as long guns have always been allowable. Your single mindedness will be your undoing.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 2:59 PM

So far no intruders killed that Im aware of.

Joe Friday  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 2:49 PM

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1992-07-08/news/9203010737_1_off-duty-police-officer-robbery-attempt

Joe Friday  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 2:31 PM

http://www.odmp.org/officer/8493-police-officer-herman-j-malow-jr

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 2:29 PM

Brain, so you are saying that the intruder was shot as well and killed? How many times did you personally pull the trigger on your weapon in your time as an OPPO?

Brian Slowiak from Oask Park  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 2:07 PM

GUNZS you went fom never to recent time in 30 yrs. I will do my bes to find the case. The officer who was shot was and is a good friend of mine. I can not use his name w/o his permission.To beating a dead horse. I value your opinion, because your opinion sharpens my opinion.Sorry you get personal w/o meeting me, cant argue facts,get personal. Sad

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 12:23 PM

So back to my original account. No OPPO has shot and killed a home intruder in recent times. 30 yrs

DK from Oak Park  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 11:00 AM

Sorry for horrible typing in last post. Wanted to add that I wish they had a range as well.

DK from Oajk Park  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 10:52 AM

I am a South Oak Parker, , Army vet, proud and safe gun owner and support this business. It is interesting that nobody has mentioned that the liklihood of accidental shootings in homes where gun safety is discussed and practiced have less problems with accidental shootings. When they know it is not a toy, they do not treated as one. Kinda like how abstinance only sex education does not work. The anti-gun nuts need to get smart and understand that prohibition is pointless and dangerous.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 10:16 AM

Sorry, I didnt see the other posts. I never met Smith. Judge Goier found no probable cause, not I. I have the case file.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 10:07 AM

Maybe 700 N.humphrey. Oak Park police officer shot in the stomach during a home invasion east side of the street. I admit I might be wrong about the outcome,but i know I have most of the incident correct. Guy came out of the house holding a female hostage.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 9:46 AM

Brian, I cant find your killing on the 600 block of Humphrey in 1985.

Beating a dead horse  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 9:21 AM

Brian, you have been n the CSS rent for a while now, haven't you? was this a buddy of yours? he shot a kid...and you call it self defense against a mod? wow...glad I don't know you.

Umm wait just a second,brian  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 9:17 AM

what i found was this:Charles Silvernail Smith, of 1009 N. Elmwood Ave. in the western suburb, was charged with one count each of murder, armed violence and unlawful use of a weapon in the slaying of James Murray, 17.Cook County Circuit Court Judge Frank Barbaro set a $75,000 bond for Smith, an Army veteran and laborer for a produce company. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1985-11-09/news/8503170397_1_youths-bicycle-oak-park

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 8:49 AM

One more, Charles Silvernail Smith,some four days after the handgun law was passed used a handgun during the early morning hours after being beaten,struck by an auto,against a mob of young white men.Killed his assailant,no probable cause found at the preliminary hearing for murder on charges brought by Rich Daleys States Attorneys Office.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 8:40 AM

Brian, The only date you provide is 1985. Whats the most recent episode of a PO killing an intruder?

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 8:31 AM

I forgot to mention Det. Grego returning gun fire with a taxi cab armed robber behind St. Catherines, about 1978 Officers of OP discharging a shot gun at an armed robbery suspect at Giordanos on North Avenue,the gun fight at the old Jewel on North Avenue,the gun fight w/Frank Teague at A&P on Harlem in Forest Park.One OP officer shot.Rich Downs shooting to death a knife wielding rapist. Ah, the memories.

Brian Slowiak from Oak Park  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 8:19 AM

GUNZ KILL, postred 29 Nov.A home invader was shot dead by Oak Park on the 600 Block North Humphrey in 1985. OPPD returned gun fire at the armed robbery (gun recovered) in progress at 7100 W. North Avenue. Another armed robbery suspect (gun recovered) was shot by OPPD outside Mcdonalds.There is also the delightful story of the armed rapist in River Forest who accidentally. shot himself in the head with his own handgun after fleeing the rape and pointing the gun at OP officers.

rez  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 1:40 AM

A gun was stolen from a house (along with other items) on a N Cuyler block about a month ago. I'm sure the gun was "legit", and now it's in the hand of some not so "legit" people. Do I feel safer that that home owner had a "legit" gun? No. Do "legit" guns fall into the hands of the wrong people? Yes. It takes EXTENSIVE training to use a gun under the stress of a live altercation, and most people will not have enough training use a gun in a live situation.

Adam from Houston  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 12:32 AM

Myth?! Please tell me then -- what is the real reason that your finest carry 'gunz' on their hips?

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 29th, 2011 12:04 AM

Cops: Boy shot in legs on West Side dies at hospital Updated 7:25 p.m.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 28th, 2011 11:56 PM

The OPPD, to my knowledge, never shot anyone dead that was robbing a house. I Cant remember when the last time a PO had to use their weapon on the job. That myth is debunked.

Adam from Houston  

Posted: November 28th, 2011 11:13 PM

"To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace." -- George Washington

Adam from Houston  

Posted: November 28th, 2011 11:11 PM

Alright -- you have an alarm set up in your house. Why? Is it because bad guys are afraid of loud noises? No, its so that the authorities can be called and dispatched as quickly as possible. Why? Because bad guys are afraid of cars with lights on top of them? No. Because the guys in the cars with lights on them have guns and they can protect you with them if a bad guy tries to get in your house.

Joel A. Schoenmeyer from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: November 28th, 2011 7:07 PM

Frankly, "prevention is the best medicine" is what got Oak Park into its current situation. The Village has a well-earned reputation for being anti-business, so developers don't want to deal with us... unless they're given big monetary incentives for doing so. This is the downside to the Oak Park desire to "have your say" about how a piece of property (not owned by you) should be used.

Berwyn  

Posted: November 28th, 2011 6:33 PM

I say prevention is the best medicine.

Tom from Oak Park   

Posted: November 28th, 2011 5:02 PM

Berwyn, how do u know what type of people this store is going to attract have you gone there to ask them no probably not it's just easy for you to assume, I've gone in there and talked to the owners, when I was in the store a Melrose Park Police officer came in looking to buy a new side arm for duty, the shop owner said the majority of his customers is going to be law enforcement facts right from the source, WHAT SAY U.

Berwyn  

Posted: November 28th, 2011 3:49 PM

I can tell you have never been a part of community involved planning or development. Lets take the night club across the street in Berwyn. Fights, loudly patrons leaving at 3 am and litter bugs. Business is legal but not attracting the type of patrons that neighbors desired. What say YOU?

Joel A. Schoenmeyer from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: November 28th, 2011 3:33 PM

Berwyn (if that is your real name)- It's not a question of "should." I personally don't care whether "we" have a gun store OR a sex toy store OR a hemp clothing store OR a Best Buy. If someone wants to open any or all of the above, I say let them have at it -- so long as they meet whatever (hopefully reasonable) zoning requirements are set by the Village. What I don't want to see are empty storefronts. And what especially galls me are empty storefronts being left empty on purpose because of (a) some ridiculous master plan that bears no connection to reality (economic or otherwise) and/or (b) the whims of certain Oak Parkers who believe they should be allowed to dictate how private, commercial property in the Village is to be used.

Berwyn  

Posted: November 28th, 2011 2:49 PM

Gee Joel, I suppose we should have a sex toy store too.

Joel A. Schoenmeyer from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: November 28th, 2011 2:36 PM

The question isn't whether guns are "needed," or whether it's a good idea or a bad idea to own one. Rather, the question is whether a business selling legal items should be banned from operating in Oak Park, simply because SOME Oak Parkers don't like the items to be sold. I think that question is very easy one to answer.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 28th, 2011 2:09 PM

Oak Park's death rate or murder rate for that matter is somewhere in the 1 a year category. I cant remember in my lifetime of ANY home getting broke into and a robber killing anyone. There was a woman who was killed by a person who was inside her apt and she came home. He killed her with a kitchen knife. She had been out on a jog and chances are that she wouldnt have brought her gun, even if she owned one. Point is that Guns are not needed.

Allegra  

Posted: November 28th, 2011 1:09 PM

I would really like to know how many people in Oak Park have ever needed to use a gun to protect their themselves, their families or their homes from an intruder. I would also like to know how many kids are accidentally killed or maimed each year playing with guns they found at home.

Eilene McCullagh Heckman from Chicago, Illinois  

Posted: November 28th, 2011 12:24 PM

If someone broke into my house and woke me up in the middle of the night... I'd seriously question my ability to find my glasses, much less load and safely discharge a firearm. But if you want to hunt, collect guns... target shoot. More power to you. So long as they're not selling handguns... or military weapons... it's OK by me. I'm not planning on becoming a CUSTOMER... but there are legit (though icky... not a fan of hunting) reasons to own a rifle or shotgun.

Jean  

Posted: November 28th, 2011 10:27 AM

Yeah, sure guns have helped citizens sometimes. They have, however, been responsible for more tragedy than help. The right to own a gun does not relate to individuals but pertains to the militia.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 28th, 2011 8:54 AM

Man found shot to death in Lynwood home Updated 7:53 a.m.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 27th, 2011 11:45 PM

Two innocent bystanders shot in Maywood, cabbie dies Updated 6:33 p.m. Man charged with shooting ex-wife.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 27th, 2011 11:42 PM

Guns have one purpose: To Kill. They have no good reason to be around unless you want to KILL

Tom from Oak Park  

Posted: November 27th, 2011 7:46 PM

Concerned Oak Parker, there are plenty of times where firearms have saved peoples lifes. If you want to read some you can use this new thing it's called GOOGLE. There was even a time in Oak Park when a gas station owner used a handgun when handguns where illegal in Oak Park to protect himself from two armed robbers, Oak park did not prosecute the gas station owner for having the handgun because they knew he did the right thing

OP Resident  

Posted: November 27th, 2011 7:10 PM

All murder stats bother me, of course. I just question how many of the crimes we read about involve legally registered long guns. It's hand guns and assault weapons, generally unregistered or stolen, in the hands of criminals that worry me. I just don't see this store selling very many of those. I think you should be more worried about the full-range gun store in Elmwood Park than a shotgun and rifle store in Oak Park. That's where you get the kind of guns you are worried about.

Concerned Oak Parker  

Posted: November 27th, 2011 6:38 PM

Of course there are many things that can be used to kill. But, the figures for murders by guns, accidents by guns and suicides by guns exceeds all other ways of killing. And, I repeat, I have not heard of any cases of homeowners shooting would-be-burglars. I HAVE heard about lots of killings by guns, some accidental, some on purpose. It's just so easy when you have a gun. Don't those murder statistics bother you, too?

OP Resident  

Posted: November 27th, 2011 3:11 PM

Gunz: Do you also protest alcohol sales because alcohol kills? How about cars, knives, ropes, sledgehammers, chainsaws, ice picks, plastic bags, fast food, rat poison and/or ham sandwiches (poor Mama Cass)? They all kill too. Maybe our hands should be banned since you can kill with your bare hands too. Let's all cut them off to keep ourselves safer. I'm not a gun owner, but reading your nutty, obsessive posts of all these gun murders leaves me completely unsupportive of your viewpoint.

Teesa Rossman  

Posted: November 27th, 2011 2:32 PM

Not all gun owners are killers. However, you can be sure if someone steps into my home uninvited, they WILL NOT be stepping back out - at least not without the help of a stretcher and paramedics. So glad that there is a shop opening in Oak Park that will help protect homes and be a helpful resource for those who want a personable and helpful gun buying experience that they might not receive at the larger stores. I will send as much business their way as possible.

Teesa Rossman  

Posted: November 27th, 2011 2:26 PM

If the people of Illinois would stop being so scared of guns, the crime rate might go down. There are a lot less break-ins in states that support home owners having guns. Don't you think criminals are a lot less likely to come into a home when they know there is a GREAT possibility that they will be shot on site? Or a sticker on the front door that says they are a proud gun owner?

j.g.morales from oak park  

Posted: November 27th, 2011 1:25 PM

These days, owning an Apple product is more dangerous than living near a gun shop. Yet, we want to pass these devices out to our children without even batting an eyelash. "Come now! What are the odds of my little Johnny being hit over the head for his ipad?! But being shot... now that's a different story!" Yeah...

Concerned Oak Parker  

Posted: November 27th, 2011 10:28 AM

Thanks to Gunz Kill for posting the daily murders and killings that happen every day. So, why don't we ever hear about people using shotguns to protect their families?

Adam from Houston  

Posted: November 27th, 2011 10:21 AM

Say you're a criminal and you break into someone's home, you're sneaking around the first floor and then you hear a sound from the top of the stairs...its the unmistakable sound of a shotgun being cocked....what do you do? I'd rather be at the back-end than the front-end of that shotgun.

Q from Oak Park  

Posted: November 26th, 2011 4:08 PM

GUNZ KILL, if it wasn't a gun, would it have been another weapon? Maybe not, and the reason is a gun puts everyone on the same level, aside from knowing how to shoot. Other weapons still have a disadvantage for the user, so if there were no guns, there would be less killings. Guns are no going to go away, because people want to be on the same level with others.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 25th, 2011 12:20 PM

2 shot in head in separate incidents in Brighton Park Updated 9:24 a.m.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 25th, 2011 12:19 PM

Latest Trib headlines!!! McKinley Park man found dead outside his home Updated 9:51 a.m. Man dies 2 days after being shot outside his Gresham home Updated 9:03 a.m.

GUNZ KILL IS A JOKE  

Posted: November 25th, 2011 12:06 PM

I suppose if the poor woman was viciously murdered in some other way we'd all be able to sleep more soundly. You're a real tool.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 25th, 2011 10:50 AM

Oh and BTW, there was a GUN MURDER last night at UIC.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 25th, 2011 10:49 AM

I will NOT shop there and tell everyone to do the same. Be careful at the range. When guns are involved, there's a good chance someone will get hurt! I give this this store 5 yrs. Theres a reason that all the other guns stores have left Oak Park.

Tom from Oak Park  

Posted: November 25th, 2011 12:08 AM

Gunz, I think I'm going to go out to the range and enjoy my second Amendment right and there is nothing u can say or do about it and I can't help but to smile, I'm going to invite everybody I know that has never used a firearm then make sure they know about this new store if they choose to buy a firearm and that's how I'm going to make u even more irrelevant than u already are.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 24th, 2011 11:09 PM

MSNBC, FOX NEWS, CBS, NBC, ABC, WGN. Take your pick. Point is your so happy with being an American, while I'm not so happy with all the Gun deaths.....daily, and even hourly.

Tom from Oak Park  

Posted: November 24th, 2011 8:54 PM

Sorry Gunz I don't watch CNN not to reliable when it comes to news our much of anything they report on, I'm sure thats why your the only one to follows that garbage station.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 24th, 2011 2:58 PM

Tom, just dont turn the channel to CNN, becasue I'm positive you will see the senseless murders that took place yesterday and today!! U SA!

Tom from Oak Park  

Posted: November 24th, 2011 10:05 AM

What a great day today all day marathon of American Guns and Sons of Guns on the Discovery channel and turkey, Happy Thanksgiving proud to be an American.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 24th, 2011 6:41 AM

Laws are for the good of all people in a society. Less guns in our world would eventually be a safer world.

Gary from Oak Park  

Posted: November 24th, 2011 12:55 AM

I live in Oak Park and I'm open to this idea. We have the right to bear arms, protect ourselves and to not live in fear. Many of my neighbors have been robbed, and I know someone who was robbed then raped. Understand that when someone intrudes your home all bets are off, they do not have good intentions. Protecting our families and homes should be more than just acceptable, it should be encouraged. This store will simply make it more convenient to pick up your arms.

Dory Rodriguez from Oak Park  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 11:08 PM

I am open to hearing both sides. In our SE OP neighborhood everyone on our block has been a victum of a break in or attempted break in - including us. With a young family I often wonder how we can best protect ourselves?

Berwyn  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 9:18 PM

I'm sure he's an avid hunter at 27! Cars dont kill people either. People driving cars do. We still have to wear seat belts by law to save lives. No guns...No gun deaths.

Carla Gross from Sauk Village  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 4:03 PM

FIRST of all... Guns don't kill. The PEOPLE handling the guns kill. Is it not time for people to take responsibility for themselves? If anyone in Oak Park has taken the time to read, the guns would not be stocked on premise. And he is planning on selling long guns, not handguns, which most of the statistics listed are for. People you need to wisen up. Why should Walmart or only sporting goods stores be allowed to sell shotguns? Support Small Businesses !

Tom from Oak Park  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 3:58 PM

How about this statistic gun sales are at an all time high but crime is at a all time low that is a FBI statistic, that include Oak Park since the hand gun ban was lifted there has been less crime in our town, Coincidence I think not. Look it up on the FBI website.

Concerned Oak Parker from Oak Park  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 3:37 PM

Brian: Could you please tell me what you like to do with your guns?

Concerned Oak Parker from Oak Park  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 3:36 PM

http://www.lcav.org/statistics-polling/gun_violence_statistics.asp "Where guns are prevalent, there are significantly more homicides, particularly gun homicides.""Guns were used in 12,632 homicides in 2007, comprising over 40% of all gun deaths, and nearly 69% of all homicides.""Firearms were used in 17,352 suicides in 2007, constituting 55% of all gun deaths."

Brian from Oak Park  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 3:08 PM

Gunz Kill- Can you prove that?

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 3:05 PM

Brian writes: "I understand that a gun can kill a person but they can also protect somebody as well" You can bet that they KILL more innocent victims than saving any lives!!!

Brian from Oak Park  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 3:01 PM

I like how you just assume he's a criminal. Already condemn him to a low life. Have you meet Justin Delafuente? I have. I went into the shop and talk to both Larry and Justin. 2 of the most nicest people I have ever meet. Answered all my questions and everything. I even plan on going to the meeting. When you feel like you can leave your 30 cats and talk to them too is when I'll have respect for you. Till then keep making up fake stories about things that won't happen.

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 2:51 PM

All guns are more than likely LEGAL at some point. Stop the Madness. I can hope for failure just like he can open his business. Thats what we love about this country. I can even protest out in front so people wont shop there. Guns Kill. End of discussion. For now. Bye.

Concerned Oak Parker from Oak Park  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 2:35 PM

Brian, I see your point. But, really, you can't compare alcohol, cigarettes and cars (all of which are dangerous) to guns. What is the main purpose of guns? To kill.

epic lulz  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 2:21 PM

"I think it's safe to say that a fixed location gun shop is probably the least likely business to sell guns "under the table."" You're correct about that. It's in the alley behind the store where those sales take place.

epic lulz  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 2:19 PM

Good to again here from Brian, the psychopathic gun nut who enjoys watching people squirm. In any rational system, such mental defectives would be prevented from owning, much less carrying. Unfortunately we do not have a rational system, precisely because of lobbying by the mentally deranged.

Brian from Oak Park  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 1:58 PM

outlet. No, You can't control what people do. If you don't like guns fine. Don't buy one. If you don't like a TV show you don't sit there and watch it. You turn it of and move on with your day. It is your right as an American to not like something. Just like its his right to open a gun TRANSFER store.

Brian from Oak Park  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 1:55 PM

Concerned Oak Park- I'm sorry but if you're going to say something like that you should have the numbers. Thanks for that post but that will never pass. Health issues? Cigarettes and Alcohol are more of a health issue. Should we band both of them? Should we just take away all things that can potentially kill somebody? If that's case, then people shouldn't drive cars because what if some crazy person gets into a car and runs people over. Or electricity because a child might stick a fork in the

Concerned Oak Parker from Oak Park  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 1:20 PM

Brian: Sorry that I can't come up with actual figures, but I'm pretty sure the majority of Oak Parkers really want nothing to do with guns. Guns are not good for our health. Check out this article: http://oakpark.patch.com/articles/oak-park-exploring-new-weapons-rules

OP Resident # 545 from Oak Park  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 1:09 PM

Thanks to Brian and Liquidevil for finally adding some common sense to this board. As a 50 year resident of OP, I can confirm that guns have been sold legally here in the past. The Cunningham-Reilly store on Lake St, and Breit & Johnson on North Ave sold long guns for years. This isn't new, and it's certainly not a threat. To Concerned, sorry, it's too late. There are guns here now, and always will be. That you don't know where is proof that law abiding citizens are responsible owners.

Brian from Oak Park  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 12:33 PM

LiquidEvil, I couldn't agree with you more.It's nice to know that there are a few people in Oak Park that are still reasonable thinkers and don't take something and blow it completely out of proportion. Knowledge is freedom, Fear is a prison.

LiquidEvil  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 9:38 AM

And for the record, though I probably live as far as you can get from this store in Oak Park, I wouldn't have a problem with it opening up on my side of town.

LiquidEvil  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 9:37 AM

I think it's safe to say that a fixed location gun shop is probably the least likely business to sell guns "under the table." I'm not a gun owner, but the paranoia people around here have is insane. No one will be handing out Glocks to middle schoolers and in case it isn't OBVIOUS, criminals do not generally acquire firearms from legit sources. This guy is selling long guns. You can't hide a rifle in a backpack or in a waste band, and I've yet to hear of anyone robbed at shotgun point.

Brian from Oak Park  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 8:43 AM

Bliss

Brian from Oak Park  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 8:41 AM

Concerned OP- You know this for a fact or are you just allowed to speak for everybody else? I can do that too. A lot of people in Oak Park want a gun store. Just because I said it doesn't make it true. Please, you don't have to speak for me. I'm a big boy and can handle myself. Gunz Kill- You sir, Take the cake. You hope he fails? I hope you fail at life. How does that sound? Do you like it when a random a stranger wishes bad karma on you? I'm ashamed OP. I guess ignorance is

Brian from Oak Park  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 8:41 AM

John Conmy- That argument makes me feel like I need a something to protect myself even more. What did Berwyn ever do to you? You're just as bad as Say it aint so OP. Sketchy- You do know people do travel out of state when they go hunting, right? And last time I check there where other gun sports other then hunting. There are even guns used in the summer Olympics. I think somebody else need to learn how to use the google machine as well.(cont.)

Brian from Oak Park  

Posted: November 23rd, 2011 8:40 AM

WOW! I can't believe the level of ignorance here in Oak Park. Do you people honestly think you're so much better then the cities and towns around you? Say It aint so OP- Where are you getting your facts from? To me, that's borderline slander. Have you taken any time to walk over there and talk to Justin or Larry? Or is it just easier for you to be a keyboard tough guy? I think you need to learn how to use the google machine before you spout out hypothetical's and fiction. (cont.)

GUNZ KILL  

Posted: November 22nd, 2011 11:03 PM

Perfect for our society. We seem to be moving in the right direction. I hope his business fails!

john murtagh  

Posted: November 22nd, 2011 10:21 PM

Re Concerned Oak Parker's comment. All I can say is .!!!!!

OP Taxpayer  

Posted: November 22nd, 2011 9:30 PM

Disclaimer: I'm not and don't anticipate ever being a gun owner, but I think the uproar is a little misplaced. Why would shady elements buy registered rifles and shotguns at this store when they can easily get untracable, unregistered guns cheaper on the black market?

Concerned Oak Parker from Oak Park  

Posted: November 22nd, 2011 8:12 PM

I think I represent a lot of people in Oak Park. We don't want guns in any shape or form in our village. Period.

Jack Chalabian from Oak Park  

Posted: November 22nd, 2011 8:03 PM

I'm happy that the debate on this issue has begun in this blog. In fact, no matter how you feel about this issue, there's nothing that the village could have done to stop it. The NRA is a powerful lobbying group with a large following. The NRA and the village lost! Plain and simple! That said, let's give credit to SEOPCO to initiate the conversation about this forum. Once again, the village has failed to take on this responsibility to act first.

Berwyn  

Posted: November 22nd, 2011 4:36 PM

Great add to the new Roosevelt road. Knife sharpening and Guns. Perfect retail to attract more shoppers. Looking forward to the Christmas decorations and paint in the windows.

Get a freakin life from Oak Park  

Posted: November 22nd, 2011 3:58 PM

Months after this place opens, most of you will forget it even exists. Quit fear mongering and whining and just accept it.

john murtagh  

Posted: November 22nd, 2011 3:48 PM

I agree SE. OP could learn a lot from Berwyn's approach to business development and community involvement. Berwyn does not have a big staff, but an incredible volunteer corp including many members of the business community. They have become more assertive than OP in seeking development and economic growth.

SE Oak Park Resident  

Posted: November 22nd, 2011 3:40 PM

There was a really well written opinion piece in the paper last week about the gun shop issue. The writer made a great point that Berwyn has actually been working hard to bring value to the Roosevelt corridor. A Mediterranean restaurant, a Thai restaurant, a Montessori school, among other beneficial businesses. I really don't see why Berywn needs to be dragged through the mud on this issue. I'm not happy about it, but let's get all the information since it seems to be a done deal.

Sketchy  

Posted: November 22nd, 2011 2:47 PM

This seems extremely sketchy to me. Why would anyone want to open up a gun store in this location. I didnt know hunting was such a big thing in OP and Berwyn. Dont like this one bit.

John Conmy from Oak Park  

Posted: November 22nd, 2011 2:39 PM

As a resident of South Oak Park, I'm furious and totally disappointed in the Village Board. A GUN SHOP! Are you out of your minds? We've had to endure the drugs, gang violence, home invasions, open consumption of alcohol and trash brought in by Berwyn businesses. Anyone remember the huge problems with Club Inclusive! Vote the board OUT and save our neighborhood!

it is so OP  

Posted: November 22nd, 2011 2:14 PM

First off, you cannnot deny a use in your city - only regulate it to certain areas. Secondly, please don't bring Berwyn into this. They did nothing. It's pathetic that you would make such a comment.

Joel A. Schoenmeyer from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: November 22nd, 2011 2:14 PM

Maybe someone can hold a community meeting to explain private property ownership to Oak Park residents (and members of village government).

JOHN MURTAGH  

Posted: November 22nd, 2011 2:13 PM

A strange and thin rationale. The store will not sell guns they will just deliver them to customers. The more OP says it is a peaceful place with socially just people, the more they slip undesirable businesses into its mix. Heise said it was lawful. The next step in the old robust village would have been the village leaders taking a stand and picketing in necessary. That was the old days. Maybe, in 2011, they are afraid of being sued. That would not explain the TIF Legal War though.

say it ain't so OP  

Posted: November 22nd, 2011 1:57 PM

This is such a slap in the face to Oak Park and its residents who prided themselves on keeping guns out of our Village. You know damn well that this place is going to sell guns under the table. Gun shops always find ways around the law especially with the nra behind them. What a sad day in Oak Park who fought so long and hard to keep firearms out and now to have a shop in our village. Why couldn't the owner open it in Berwyn? He did it on purpose in Oak Park to shove it in our faces. Pathetic.

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