Loose ends don't justify the means

Opinion: Ken Trainor

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By Ken Trainor

Staff writer

There's no end to the fascinating loose ends that make up the world we live in. Take gum circles, for instance. Please. Lately I've been painfully aware of the extraordinary number on our sidewalks. They're everywhere. What kind of person spits gum out on a public causeway? Someone who has no interest in the common good, I suppose. They must think, if they think, that they an exemption from littering — like smokers who flick cigarette butts casually, thoughtlessly, into the street or on the parkway, or men who clog public urinals by tossing in wadded-up paper towels. Who approved these exemptions? They need to provide documentation. If I were a cop, I'd spend all my time giving tickets to people who spit out gum. At least cigarette butts don't stick to your shoes.

At the very least all of this indicates we've got a whole lot of socializing and civilizing left to do, even here in enlightened Oak Park. But I guess that's not exactly a news flash.

You can learn a lot about people just by looking — and by listening. One young woman to another at Red Hen: "I'm a little hyped from being in New York too long." Maybe, but Oak Parkers can get pretty hyped too: "My brain is so fricking scattered I ended up putting money in the wrong meter," said an exasperated, multitasking woman in the middle of a cellphone conversation. Not that modern technology is all bad: "I was researching Oak Park on the Internet and Hemingway came up. Who'd have guessed?" said an excited woman to her companion as they exited the Oak Park Art Center building, which houses the Hemingway Museum. Paying attention also clues you in as to how things are changing: "But anyway, you can expand his flavor palate," said a young mother, cellphone to her ear, pushing the Humvee equivalent of a stroller. When my son was that age, we just wanted him to eat his vegetables.


Interesting names never cease to amaze me, especially when they match the person's profession or avocation: We carried a story some time back about the new liaison between the Oak Park Police Department and the public. His name is Dennis Leaks. If the irony of that doesn't immediately register, imagine a presidential press secretary named Leaks. Or for that matter, the Pope's butler.

In a recent police blotter, we wrote about a man named Timothy Steele who was arrested for allegedly, yes, pilfering a bicycle. Pre-determination? The power of suggestion? A friend of mine swears that at Northwestern Memorial Hospital there is a highly respected surgeon named Sturgeon. And we featured a seventh-grader at Roosevelt Middle School in River Forest named Eric Forehand in one of our front-page photos. The media would love it if he showed up at Wimbledon someday so they could rave about "Forehand's forehand." Of course, that won't happen unless he develops a solid backhand. If he doesn't, then praise for his forehand would, I suppose, qualify as a backhanded compliment.

I read an article some time back about a "senior elections analyst" for Real Clear Politics named Sean Trende, who cautioned against "expecting current trends to last far into the future." Trende tends toward caution on trends? And I couldn't help noticing that the head chef at Autre Monde restaurant in Berwyn is named Dan Pancake. I'll bet that makes for some awkward pauses when people ask what he does for a living.

Typos, of course, remain my favorite means to a loose end. English has so many words that are perilously close in spelling. Given the current state of the housing market, for instance, the gap between "realty" and "reality" may be widening. No matter how little a writer knows about the Catholic Church, he or she needs to understand the difference between "Canon Law" and "Cannon Law." Recently we alleged that a new faculty member at the local high school was "extremely exited to be working at OPRF" Someday maybe he'll be excited about exiting OPRF, but let's hope not.


If you're a student of history, exploring the "Guilded" Age would probably be a great deal different from the "Gilded" Age. Imagine my shock to read about a local young woman who "spent last summer in Paris learning special Japanese dying techniques." Fortunately, she was talking about fashion, not euthanasia.

A Chicago man "overdoes" on heroin in a Starbucks bathroom gets the point across, but I decided to add the extra "s" just in case.

And I was stopped cold in my editing tracks one day recently when I read about Oak Parkers discussing whether to put in a "cud-de-sac."

I pictured camels in a circle.

And last but not least, bumper stickers. I spotted one recently that read: "Everybody counts. Everybody matters." I think we can presume this was not a Mitt Romney supporter. Let's hope a variation of this sentiment applies in two weeks: Every vote counts. Every vote matters.

The world is full of loose ends. It would be nice if we could tie up one or two.

Email: ktrainor@wjinc.com

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Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 31st, 2012 8:00 AM

Clarification: Emancipation Proclamation is an executive order issued to the executive agencies of the United States by President Abraham Lincoln on January 1, 1863,

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 31st, 2012 5:27 AM

@ People First - Excuse me, but you specifically said to vote for the party that ended slavery. The emancipation treaty was signed by Lincoln and I seem to remember that he was a Republican. The Democrats have always been the party that suppressed black equality. Johnson's Great Society has destroyed the potential of generations of African Americans. Robert Byrd marched under a sheet. George Wallace stood at the school house door. More Republicans supported equal rights legislation than Democrats. So, if you asked the citizenry to vote for the party that has stood tall for racial equality - pull the lever for a straight Republican ballot. I do know that straight party tickets are no longer a single selection option - just a figure of speech. Liar and fool am I? Your school yard name calling tires me!


Posted: October 31st, 2012 12:43 AM

Ray, thanks-we can try & try again 'til we're blue in the face for all it's worth. MichaelO-MSM continues to wrap themselves in a cloak of noble intentions & "enlightened" opinions as they censor the news, hiding the truth as O shreds the Constitution. Omedia in constant spin attempting to manipulate popular opinion by repetition & saturation of pro-O story lines. Propagandists, not journalists-NBC, ABC, NPR, CNN, MSNBC, WAPO, NYT working for Soros.

People First  

Posted: October 31st, 2012 12:17 AM

Not much left to say to you, Ray. You've been exposed and as a liar and a fool. Truth is, there was no post from me urging to people to "vote straight Republican". That was just a lousy lie you fabricated. Having failed to convince reasonable people that your convictions have merit and are worthy of any thoughtful consideration,you chose to strike back at your imagined enemies in a manner practiced by the likes of Karl Rove and Dick Cheney. Filling your heart with hatred; emptied your soul.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 30th, 2012 8:51 PM

@ RJ Try this revision " The national media is guilty of complicity with the Democratic Party candidate"

MichaelO from Oak Park  

Posted: October 30th, 2012 7:14 PM

OK rj parse this: "the corporate media is colluding with the democratic process." Just what the hell does that mean? You toss a bunch of words together and hope something makes sense. That's why I don't know what you're talking about - has nothing to do with the "corporate media".

Mick Belker  

Posted: October 30th, 2012 5:02 PM

I was watching a speech given by Paul Ryan, and he was using a teleprompter. Should I panic? Also, how much history of political parties should I read before making my vote? Parties seem very relevant in the Citizens United-era we live in. Using Occam's Razor, it seems apparent that Nixon was NOT using racism to attract "disaffected white southern voters." One question, though: why wont Romney admit he wanted FEMA defunded by 2/3? He ignores FEMA questions? Why?

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 30th, 2012 4:02 PM

oops - Grand Kleagle

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 30th, 2012 4:01 PM

You heard it here PEOPLE FIRST wants you all to vote straight Republican. The party of Lincoln and not the party of the late grand Cleegal of the KKK Robert Byrd

People First  

Posted: October 30th, 2012 3:32 PM

Please remember to vote on Nov. 06 for the party that ended slavery.


Posted: October 30th, 2012 2:30 PM

MichaelO - You don't know what I'm talking about because the corporate media has not done their job and you don't seem to care. Try doing some objective research on your own. Any time one of us tries to explain our views, and why, we're responded with crackpot, racist, paranoid, ignorant. Why even bother? Unfortunately, if O is re-elected you will find out of what we speak.

Barry Barack Hussein Soetoro Obama  

Posted: October 30th, 2012 12:54 PM

No wonder why I need a teleprompter.

MichaelO from Oak Park  

Posted: October 30th, 2012 12:22 PM

rj, What are you going on about? Corporate media; extended arm of O regime; "O...not vetted" - by whom? What does that mean? Just once bring something to the table. Hell, even if you have to cite Glen Beck, or Hannity, or whatever crackpot you're listening to today.


Posted: October 30th, 2012 12:10 PM

Ray, we know that the corporate media is colluding with the democratic process. Currently the press is no longer independent-it is the extended arm of the O regime. There's no investigative reporting except when it's an R they're trying to character assassinate. O was purposely not vetted to be the charlatan he is. It's pretty clear some here have no problem with that as they want a socialist agenda. They will not admit it but choose to call you a racist to cover their cowardice.

Ghost of Zuppke from Oak Park  

Posted: October 30th, 2012 11:43 AM

Way ahead of you, Tom. Read Nixonland a while ago...some salient points but mainly the usual simplistic drivel that Nixon was the cause all things bad. Perlstein has maintained a life long obsesion with Nixon as bogeyman. I'll also not quibble with your cherry-picking of comments by GOP officeholders. You need only look east of Austin Blvd to view the real world results of Democrat political actions...the most segregated city in America. Dem race politics in action. So you're on the right side??

People First  

Posted: October 30th, 2012 11:25 AM

"I am not in favor of bringing about in any way the social equality of the white and black races. I am not in favor of making voters of negroes, nor qualifying them to hold office or intermarry with white people. I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." - Abraham Lincoln 1858

Tom from River Forest  

Posted: October 30th, 2012 11:19 AM

Ghost, First read Nixonland by Rick Perlstein for the reality of the southern strategy. Regarding the rest of you argument, you may have missed Senator Graham's observation that that the GOP is not generating "enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term." The GOP unquestionably plays race politics. It just picked the wrong side.

Ghost of Zuppke from Oak Park  

Posted: October 30th, 2012 10:26 AM

Tom...you're correct about Thurmond. Last I heard he was dead. As is Nixon, whose Southern strategy has been completely mischaracterized by the left. Yes, he tried to attract disaffected white southern voters, but you'd claim racism in that no matter what. What would you have done, denied voting rights to all white southerners of the day? Your last sentence is as laughable & wrong as anything you've ever posted here. Dems have moved on? Are you kidding? Race/group politics is all they have.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 30th, 2012 10:03 AM

@Michael- one more time - What have I said that proves I am a racist? I oppose our president because I believe he is a danger to our republic. I oppose him because I believe his handling of the Libya attack was incompetent and his failure to inform the American people was dishonest. You people read racism into my argument, I do not! Were President Obama a caucasian methodist I would be just as opposed. He has earned very little respect from anyone, yet you seem to forgive all sorts of historically failed fiscal policies.

Tom from River Forest  

Posted: October 30th, 2012 9:59 AM

Ghost, you must have already been dead when Strom Thurmond, the 1948 Dixiecrat nominee for president became a republican. You must also have missed the 1968 presidential campaign when Nixon adopted a strategy aimed at using white bigotry as a political weapon and you obviously have been blind to the race baiting of the Romney campaign. We are talking now about the relative racism of each party currently. Bottom line the GOP now depends on racism while the Democrats have moved on.

Ghost of Zuppke from Oak Park  

Posted: October 30th, 2012 9:31 AM

Tom of RF...it's true, many dixie-crats did shift sides, but their segregation ideology wasn't accepted by the GOP. The Democrat racism stayed & remains today, merely having shifted form, by imprisoning urban minorities in housing projects & bad schools under the ruse of the "Great Society". LBJ cynically said he'd created "200 years of Democrat voters", & people like RJ Daley & some complicit "leaders" implemented his plan in the cities. ..or did you forget that part of history??

MiichaelO from Oak Park  

Posted: October 30th, 2012 8:14 AM

Really Ray? "Serious game". What's a serious game? Questioning your vicious, vitriolic smears against the President of the United States, democrats and anyone who disagrees with your nonsense? Really? You're going to sue somebody? Ever hear the term "unclean hands", Ray. It's a legal term. In your case it means all your blather is ill informed, pointy headed and mean spirited. Sue me.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 29th, 2012 10:28 PM

@Jackie - You have me at an advantage - I use my real name so you know where I live, yet you hide behind a "HANDLE" Now tell me exactly what I have said that is racist! That is a serious charge and without some proof or some actions on my part you are engaged in a serious game where lives can be ruined. You find fault with my political beliefs, yet you cannot argue on the merits.

Lying Liberal Liars and the Lies they Tell  

Posted: October 29th, 2012 10:09 PM

See Jackie comments.


Posted: October 29th, 2012 9:51 PM

Ray--you know an awful lot about racists and racism but are quite defensive about the logical conclusion that you might be one of them. Hmmm. I would suggest that you move a block to Berwyn, but Berwynite don't deserve that burden.

Tom from River Forest  

Posted: October 29th, 2012 9:10 PM

ghost, and I assume that you too are aware that all of those Dixie-crats found a welcoming home in the GOP after their racism was rejected by the Democratic Party. Further to your "argument, "Ev Dirksen would not be allowed to be a member of the modern GOP.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 29th, 2012 6:59 PM

@ Unfortunately thanks for riding shotgun. I do appreciate any support from anyone. It is interesting how People First can claim the moral high ground while acting like a gutter snipe.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 29th, 2012 6:08 PM

@PF Did you know that the souther Democrats and the KKK both used the white rooster as their logo. Same people just changed their sheets.

Ghost of Zuppke from Oak Park  

Posted: October 29th, 2012 5:53 PM

PF, you are aware, of course, that Lincoln & the abolitionists were primarily Republicans...just as the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed by a greater percentage of Republicans than Democrats. The segregationists/Jim Crow south were all Democrats.


Posted: October 29th, 2012 3:58 PM

Alright, NOW I get were PF is coming from - I had NO idea what he was talking about when he/you made those comments about what I presumed was me. I therefore request that the WJ "moderator" state that I was not the one who made those "bogus comments" in your name. It could just as easily be yourself or someone from the left, but it certainly wasn't either myself. Why don't you do like I typically do with you - ignore the comments? I only posted this time to support Ray. Hasta la vista!

People First  

Posted: October 29th, 2012 3:46 PM

Unfortunately, are you taking responsibility for posting bogus comments using my screen name or defending the practice? I could easily post something using the screen name you have chosen but that is not in my character to do so. This juvenile attempt to deceive and confuse seems to be a rather common practice engaged in by those might best be identified as right wing extremists. It's a type of bullying tactic one expects from neo-nazis, white supremacists and skinheads and they're on your side.

People First  

Posted: October 29th, 2012 3:22 PM

Please remember to vote on Nov. 06 for the party that ended slavery.


Posted: October 29th, 2012 3:13 PM

"The coward's way is to post using someone's else (sic) screen name." PF, you don't detect a bit of hypocrisy is your 3:06 post? First you insinuate that Ray Simpson is a racist - all along attacking him personally - then you write "incapable of engaging in any thoughtful discussion of important matters and instead resort to nasty antics and bullying tactics"!?! "Hypocrisy, thy name is 'People First'"

People First  

Posted: October 29th, 2012 3:06 PM

The coward's way is to post using someone's else screen name. I guess that should be expected from the hapless characters who support the positions of Ray Simpson and his ilk. Typical right wing thugs who are incapable of engaging in any thoughtful discussion of important matters and instead resort to nasty antics and bullying tactics. Speaks volumes about the lack of depth and knowledge behind the positions and opinions they support. Congrats to you,Ray. Look who's on your side.

People First  

Posted: October 29th, 2012 2:35 PM

John Stewart is so dreamy.


Posted: October 29th, 2012 2:30 PM

"and honor their families wishes." PF, the "families" wish that their son/husband/brother were alive - not dead. Here's what one father just said about Obama: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/10/father-of-slain-benghazi-seal-to-obama-its-better-to-die-a-hero-than-live-a-coward-video/ It's people like Ray Simpson AND Fox News that is ensuring that this matter IS being investigated. If it was left up to the O administration.....?

People First  

Posted: October 29th, 2012 1:32 PM

Stop patting yourself on the back,Ray. You have borne false witness against the President and continue to seek to politicize the tragedy in Benghazi despite the pleas from the families of those who lost their lives. You can be sure that that a full investigation of the events will be conducted and perhaps you will be proven to be correct. Until then, show some respect for those who died and honor their families wishes. That's the decent course to take but has been ignored by you and Fox News.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 29th, 2012 12:58 PM

@ People First My experience tells me that those who quote scriptures and hide behind their perceptions lack any understanding of the real world. You find support where you will and I will do the same. If you review the recent posts you might notice that the personal attacks have all been from you and your team. I state my positions without comment about your beliefs or intelligence. It would be nice if you would extend the same courtesy to me.

People First  

Posted: October 29th, 2012 12:12 PM

Ray Simpson wants proof that he's not a racist. Ray may find that answer in the teachings of Jesus Christ. He was the first bleeding heart liberal and gave us a message of love, peace and tolerance. Fill your soul with joy! The dark clouds of anger and doubt that trouble you so will not go away if the only words you hear and believe are coming from Fox News. Turn off your tv set and help build a society that seeks to improve the quality of life of all God's children. Seek redemption.

Lying Liberal Liars and the Lies they Tell  

Posted: October 29th, 2012 11:39 AM

See Jackie comments.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 29th, 2012 11:36 AM

@Unfortunately do you remember the lefts Racism charges at OPRF. My experience at the high school was that any kid, without regard to race, who asks for help will get as much as he/she needs. When I was in high school we had one black girl and we were not very nice to her. She got the last laugh becoming the first outstanding alumni. Sadly, she is still bitter 50 years later. I was pleased to see her again after half a century.

Common Sense  

Posted: October 29th, 2012 11:33 AM

Calling someone racist is the liberal code for admitting they lost the argument and have no facts to support their position.


Posted: October 29th, 2012 11:24 AM

Ray, there is NOTHING that you can say or do regarding the "racist" comment that will ever satisfy many of our OP neighbors. I have noticed, though, that most of these same people rarely socialize with blacks AND neither do their children. My children just finished going thru the OP school system and the segregation of the lunch room stunned me! I also see it in the academic, social and athletics areas. OP liberals are stout believers in "do as I say - not as I do" - particularly regarding race.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 29th, 2012 11:04 AM

@Jackie Ever hear about Libel - you are very close!

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 29th, 2012 9:43 AM

@Jackie - Prove your point! Exactly what have I said that is in any way racist? You throw out despicable charges that you cannot support. The left figures that charges of racism are so serious that they never have prove anything, the charge is enough to trump everything. Wrong, prove your charge!


Posted: October 29th, 2012 8:46 AM

Ray--you are a racist, live with it. Self awareness is good for the soul.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 29th, 2012 7:25 AM

@ Back away - People first cannot stay on point because there is no defense for the Obama administration and it's failures. He provides a forum for us to highlight these failures without our concern that he will make a logical or honest counter argument. Every defense of the Obama presidency, by People First, centers on detractors being racist. He has no other argument.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 29th, 2012 7:17 AM

@People First The topic we were discussing was the competence and capabilities of President Obama. His handling of the Libya attack has failed to answer any of the questions that American citizens are asking. One week out from an election - we need to know if criminal cover up has failed to explain the loss of 4 American lives. Obama could be black, white, brown or green, those four lives were lost and our government took no actions to help them. Then refused to tell us the truth! The Secretary of State tells us one story, The UN Secretary tells another, Secretary of Defense gives us yet another explanation and head of the CIA claims No responsibility - and Obama won't answer direct yes/no questions. If our president is a lying underhanded incompetent, don't we have the right to know before the election?

back away from the computer PF  

Posted: October 29th, 2012 3:45 AM

@PF You've written many baseless scurrilous attacks on WJ but calling someone a racist for referring to the President by his last name tops the list of your ignorance. I think you owe "Simpson" an apology.

People First  

Posted: October 28th, 2012 11:27 PM

"Some of my best friends". I've heard that one before,Ray and it proves nothing. What matters is how you view and treat people you don't know personally. Think for moment about your own actions. When you post comments you refer to our president as simply "Obama". That to me indicates you are unwilling or unable to accept the fact an african-american occupies the Oval Office. You've been indoctrinated by Fox News and the hatemongers to believe the President is not legitimate or deserves respect.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 28th, 2012 9:32 PM

@ People First - You might find it interesting to know that I supported fellow Boilermaker Herman Cain and was a willing volunteer for his candidacy. One of our closest friends happens to be black and I love her like my own child. I have engaged her father in heated discussions about race in our country and we still remain friends. I was offended years ago, by white only drinking fountains in Missouri and the like bathrooms. You tar me with the stigma of something that I am not!


Posted: October 28th, 2012 9:16 PM

No one screamed racism at you, Ray. But you do exhibit many of the traits of those who judge a person by their race, gender,religion etc.,. I do realize it is very difficult for you to admit that President Obama's race does play in factor in your opinion of him. You're from a time and part of a generation who lived when it was an acceptable practice to discriminate. Some examined their belief and realized that character mattered while you and other lost souls are stuck in a rut of ignorance.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 28th, 2012 8:28 PM

@People First - I have never judged Obama for his race. I do see a petty, thin skinned little man who got his job because a lot of you felt morally superior for voting for a man of color. The fact that you scream "Racist" every time any of us find fault with Obama actually makes you the racist since your only possible defense of him is his skin color. About Benghazi - we have been lied to, you too, and Obama isn't willing to face up to the American people to tell it straight. There are many loose ends that he could clear up by setting the record straight. We do have four dead Americans who deserve better than the short shrift Obama is serving. A simple press conference would make all of the problems go away - unless, of course, there was criminal neglect in the oval office.

People First  

Posted: October 28th, 2012 7:38 PM

Interesting to read that Ray Simpson does not deny that race is a factor in his opinion of President Obama. He certainly has company on this board and his admission of being prejudice against the first african-american president would be cheered on by those racists who hold that type of hatred in their heart. Simpson's claim that the truth about the Benghazi attacks is being withheld from the American people until after the election is laughable and baseless in fact. A lot like Ray himself.

John Butch Murtagh from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: October 27th, 2012 11:08 PM

Ray - Yup!


Posted: October 27th, 2012 1:47 PM

Romney had his facts straight - O spoke of terroism but NOT re Benghazi. Crowley had no business inserting herself into the debate showing her ignorance on the facts only to walk it back the next day. Hard to keep up with an out & out liar but no excuse. When O goes to the UN and still brings up 7 times that it was a video nothing more needs to be said. The truth will be revealed soon. Mr Peace-you mean O not consulting Congress, but the UN to strike Libya? This is an impeachable offense.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 27th, 2012 1:22 PM

@JBM Is that your best shot?

John Butch Murtagh from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: October 27th, 2012 1:05 PM

Sure, Ray!

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 27th, 2012 1:00 PM

@JBM How you can equate "sins of omission" with Bald face lies from the President of the United States is beyond logic. Romney isn't included in national security briefings nor is he privy to the facts surrounding Benghazi. In sworn testimony before a house committee the administrations own representative testified that proposed budget cuts had nothing to do with security cuts. I watched that testimony so it was not filtered through the FOX analysis that you find so untrustworthy. Romney had scored his Libya point in debate #2 until the moderator injected herself into the debate by supporting Obamas dishonest statements about declaring a terrorist attack. At that point there is little to be gained by calling out the president and the moderator.

John Butch Murtagh from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: October 27th, 2012 11:40 AM

If there is a lie re the attack on the Libya Consul, Romney collaborated by not addressing it in Debate #2. In Debate #1 he attacked Obama aggressively but lost the round because he did not have his facts straight. He avoided the issue completely in Debate #2 when he chose to align himself with Obama's Mideast policies in order to establish himself as Mr. Peace. That's Lie #1. In Debate #2, He ignored the conspiracy issue raised by neo-cons and Fox News. That is, he chose not to address the supposed underlying Libya Consul attack conspiracy. If there is any validity to the neo-con and Fox News theory, it was his responsibility as a candidate for president to enlighten the public on the details of the conspiracy. That's Lie #2 -- the sin of omission. Fact is, I think he avoided the issue because he would have had to address Congress cuts in the budget for increased security for embassies and consul.


Posted: October 27th, 2012 10:58 AM

JBM - How does the Libya situation make Romney a liar too? During the last debate Romney agreed that Khadafi needed to be removed. Further discussion about the Benghazi disaster during that debate did not occur. The issue Romney should have brought up is that O, when Congress was not in session, went ahead without the approval of Congress, and initiated the regime change. Why did that go unnoticed by the liberals at large?

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 27th, 2012 7:44 AM

@People First and JBM I have put a serious problem on the table and your best answer is that I am a racist? Yes, FOX is the only news outlet that is giving time and money to find out what happened and I will bet that a couple of Pulitzers will result. You have yet to explain the conflicting stories from the White House, the CIA and the State Department. Someone knows the truth and someone is lying to save Obamas presidency. There are too many career people involved to keep a lid on this bucket of worms. Isn't it interesting that when the administration and the DNC have no answers they play the race card just as you have done here. If you refuse to reply to the question at hand and act civilly, why don't you just crawl back under your rock. No one cares what you think nor is it possible to have a conversation with narrow minded people who survive by personal destruction.

People First  

Posted: October 26th, 2012 9:07 PM

Don't waste your time trying to engage a thoughtful discussion with Ray Simpson on any issue involving President Obama. He's proud to be the ultimate Fox News parrot and as a result been unable to express any opinion that haven't been fed to him by the official media home of the Republican party. If Ray were capable of being honest with himself he might realize that racism motivates the attacks directed at President Obama more than anything relating to his politics. Ray Simpson is a lost cause.

John Butch Murtagh from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: October 26th, 2012 7:25 PM

Ray, doesn't that make "moderate" Romney a liar also?

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 26th, 2012 5:32 PM

@JBM Libya is still on the minds of the families of our 4 dead Americans and the changing stories we get from Obama isn't giving them any solace. We were lied to by the president! Then another lie replaced the first and now we discover that pleas for help were turned down by the White House. The president told us that they were reporting evolving facts as they got them - another lie. K T McFarland was in the Nixon White House during Watergate and she reports that this is a far more devastating scandal because lives were lost and the drip drip drip of factual information is killing Obamas re election effort. He has lied to us and continues to believe that we are not smart enough to see through his deception.

John Butch Murtagh from Oak Park, Illinois  

Posted: October 26th, 2012 1:38 PM

I'm lost! Why is the subject of Libya still an issue in the election. Didn't "Moderate" Romney agree with Obama's handling of the issue?

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 26th, 2012 1:34 PM

@M Obama has told 3 conflicting stories about Benghazi. If one is true then the other two MUST be lies. It looks to me like all three are lies to cover poor judgement and political reasoning. Information is surfacing that the White House knew about the attack in real time and refused to send help. In my time in the Army I believed that even a lowly SP4 medic would expect the full force of our government to come to my aide should I need it. You keep trying to justify todays actions by comparing them to some other activity from days gone bye. If I get your point I should be able to rob a bank because Bonnie and Clyde did it. That is a stupid argument that proves the shallowness of the Obama campaign.

M from Oak Park  

Posted: October 26th, 2012 12:43 PM

Typical Republican tactic you exemplify here: change the meaning of the argument to your attempted advantage. I illustrated your lame assertion that a President is to blame for anything that happens during his Administration by describing a similar but MUCH more deadly situation under George W. You then claimed that I was specifically "blaming Bush." Moreover, I don't agree that the President has been dishonest and incompetent. You are clearly unable to prove such accusations. Obama will win.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 26th, 2012 10:43 AM

@M How is it you guys can justify the incompetent, dishonest, petty things that Obama does by blaming Bush? W43 has been history for 4 years. Had GWB handled 9/11 the same he would have denied it happened and blamed a bad judgement by the dancing with the stars competition or that 4 planes crashed into buildings by mistake. We are 2 weeks from an election and the incumbent has lied to the American people about his involvement to support a political end. That is so important that your "Blame Others" tack, to cover guilt, is flaccid at best.

M from Oak Park  

Posted: October 26th, 2012 9:08 AM

Ray, if we go by your logic, then Bush 43 is to blame for all of the 9/11 deaths and the countless diseases acquired by those in the area on that day and for months afterward (many fatal). In addition, he is to blame for all of the senseless deaths caused by the Iraqi War, a war that the US had no good reason for starting.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 26th, 2012 8:21 AM

Ken - If it was a pro Obama bumper sticker you should have read the next line! "Everybody counts. Everybody matters." Obama must have cut off the last line of your sticker " Except 4 guys in Libya who's deaths might be blamed on me!" Check your White House Talking Points and see if you can come up with a believable story to cover Obamas backside on this example of his uncaring, incompetent, heartless handling of a national disgrace.

Ray Simpson from Oak Park  

Posted: October 23rd, 2012 10:44 PM

My son was delivered by Dr Pill . My favorite typo was a headline on the Purdue Exponent 50 some years ago. " Purdue Crew loses by a Di*k Length" (Rhymes with sick) The fun was the next day they printed a retraction that read " We regret the typo about our rowing team, it was actually a much greater distance"

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